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NF-Lee's Gildor and Frodo

MORE Gandalf and Frodo in the Cart Scene....

Posted on 2005.11.07 at 21:58

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Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-11-10 01:47 (UTC) (Link)
(Part Two? -- I forgot to speak to your comments on slash.

Slash. I will link a two-part comment I wrote in another fan's LJ recently.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/maura_underhill/2218.html#cutid1

It says a lot of how came to appreciate slash. Her own entry tells even more, since it sounds like a view I have heard many times and she expresses it well.

I have enjoyed slash as erotica, a surprise in itself, if you had known me, pre-fanfics (I only have ever read LotR, specifically Frodo-centered fanfics). Slash fanfics allowed me, for the first time, to experience what it might be like to be a man in love with a man. I had had several gay friends when I was young, studying theatre, friends whom I cared for very much. But, privately, I was always squicked thinking about what they did together sexually. Imagining myself into the head and body of a besotted but gay hobbit, through good slash fanfics, has helped me get a sense for what they were feeling back in those days. In a way, I have wished I could meet up with some of those people now to beg their pardon for being so dismissive, in my heart, of their amorous feelings and relationships. I still would not want to be in a room with two men necking, understand -- well, I wouldn't want to be there with a man and a woman necking, for that matter! I like reading erotica, not watching it, LOL, no matter what gender the stars of it are.

But, however much reading hobbit slash has fired and broadened (and heated) my imagination, I don't for a second believe in it -- not in slash versions of the characters, not in a slash Shire. That is why I doubt that I will ever write a slash Frodo story, except perhaps to see if I can do it; I just don't believe in a slash Frodo. I like reading AU stuff, but for myself, I am only interested in writing fics I can imagine might have happened in Tolkien's Shire.

Slash never bothers me much anymore except when I think it seriously distorts or demeans Frodo's worth or character. This can happen in gen fics, which have no sexual element at all, too. But, perhaps because slash has such a strong erotic component, it has happened more often in slash that I have seen Frodo portrayed in a caddish, willing to behave in ways that do not befit "the best hobbit in the Shire."
Scarlet
stillscarlet at 2005-11-12 13:45 (UTC) (Link)
Slash fanfics allowed me, for the first time, to experience what it might be like to be a man in love with a man. I had had several gay friends when I was young, studying theatre, friends whom I cared for very much. But, privately, I was always squicked thinking about what they did together sexually. Imagining myself into the head and body of a besotted but gay hobbit, through good slash fanfics, has helped me get a sense for what they were feeling back in those days. In a way, I have wished I could meet up with some of those people now to beg their pardon for being so dismissive, in my heart, of their amorous feelings and relationships.

I wanted to reply to this a few days ago, Mechtild, but you know how it is. And now it's 1.30 a.m. and I may not make much sense, but I'll have a crack at it anyway!

What you said about slash giving you an insight into gay relationships speaks for me, too. Slash got rid of that "ick" factor for me, because it allowed me to see how male/male sex might be romantic and loving. Now, I don't imagine that erotica written by straight women depicts what really goes on between gay men, but just to be given a glimpse of how it *might* be was enough to totally change my point of view. If I take nothing else away from my foray into fan fiction, that will be enough.
Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-11-12 15:10 (UTC) (Link)
What you said about slash giving you an insight into gay relationships speaks for me, too. Slash got rid of that "ick" factor for me, because it allowed me to see how male/male sex might be romantic and loving. (...) If I take nothing else away from my foray into fan fiction, that will be enough.

Exactly what I meant but said in fewer words. It really has changed my mind -- and heart -- about male/male erotic love relationships.

Now, I don't imagine that erotica written by straight women depicts what really goes on between gay men (...).

True. I have read that gay men who have read slash written by women don't always have compimentary things to say about it. But the detractions are usually directed at the style of the erotica in most slash. That is, gay men are first and foremost men, and don't find smut written for women something that "works" for them very often. But I have not read that they thought the relationships themselves were badly written.
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