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NF-Lee's Gildor and Frodo

MORE Gandalf and Frodo in the Cart Scene....

Posted on 2005.11.07 at 21:58

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Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-11-09 07:36 (UTC) (Link)
taerie, I am finishing up answering my email tonight (it was a looooong day and evening), and I see no text posted in this comment you made. Did you mean for that to happen? (I do a lot of post-commenting deleting, myself; "Oh! I didn't mean to say quite that!" or, "Heavens! I left out half a sentence!")

Anyway, I am going to take this opportunity to say I love your icon. I have loved it so much, I clicked your link yesterday, and, somehow, some way, I wound up on an artwork site featuring some of your stuff. So, you are an artist? No wonder you are so keen-eyed about all the nuances and aesthetical details in the Frodo caps and the LotR museum exhibit.

Anyway, once I saw that I was on a gallery page for your work, I scanned the thumbnails quickly, looking to see if I could find the one from which your icon was taken. After I had first done a double-take, I realised which image it had to be from. I enlarged it for viewing, and, oh, taerie! it was beautiful; exquisitely done.

I am not fond of every sort of LotR illustration, but this pic you have made is one I thought really, really good. I much prefer that LotR illustrations be done in a style that recalls the look of earlier eras in art, just as the book recalls earlier eras of literature. Your Frodo illustration reminded me very much of Chinese or Japanese paintings on silk from the 12th-13th centuries: ones with very spare compostitions but a lot of careful detail in rendering plants and birds; a cat or a rabbit -- all delicately painted on a golden background.

I clicked your "User Info" page, once intrigued, and looked at your interests list. I was surprised to see Anime. You mentioned that your husband has Anime figures, didn't you? I was surprised because I liked your illustration, but don't like the artwork of Anime.

Since I started working at our library, I have been able to look through many books of Manga and Anime, curious to see what people see in them. I still don't understand the appeal, except as it appeals to children and teenagers, since it is a fashion. I know that many LotR fans like this sort of illustration; sometimes they post LotR illustrations done in that style. Invariably, though, I dislike them. Their look seems alien to the tone and provenance of LotR. Mostly, because they look so cartoonish and contemporary. In a few of the manga books, the illustrators have kept more of a flavour of their culture's artistic roots, which I like much better. But, as for illustrating LotR in such a style, to me, it is just not an appropriate match, aesthetically.

Your illustration bears a lot of resemblance to Asian painting on silk. I tried finding some images that made close comparisons with your pic, but I was too tired to look very far. But I did think your piece bears a resemblance to an Asian masterpiece. I like it so well because it is beautiful; a classic -- not a cartoon.

Would you mind if I posted your illustration in full? It really is unique and very lovely.
taerie
taerie at 2005-11-09 15:11 (UTC) (Link)
I'm not sure what happened there. I went about posting the same way I always do. Cyberspace hiccups I suppose. I was just saying that I did get on the photobucket deal THANK you for telling me about this cause although I have uploaded photos before (I have my family albums, dogs horses and friends photos in webshots.) I never saw a free place that would let you link to it. Now I am trying to figure out how to do THAT in various places. I did manage to get it to post that screen capture I told you about directly to my own Journal.(You are welcome there.. there is nothing visible that is really horribly private. I hope. I am really uneducated about this lj thing and have a lot to learn) When I really bitch about my life or one of my animals dies and I need to go on about it or something I keep it in the separate thing for that. (Or save it for the more traditional journal I keep.)If you want to snag the picture of Frodo running you can go there or if it is still on the friends section of your page. (I am grateful for the delete option on this comment deal though that you mentioned I often think later that I said something particularly idiotic. I will probably use it.)
Thank you for visiting my gallery! And thank you again for your kind words! That particular picture was in a time consuming style that I long admired that I really wanted to try out and I had a block of life to do it in. I usually just satisfy myself with sketching. (My sketchbook smokes with a certain hobbit that will remain nameless in artful dishabille as you might imagine LOL!)
I am particularly gratified that YOU like it.. you are very sharp as to what makes him look like him.. I notice. I am also glad you enjoy the style. I wish I had time to do more of that sort of thing. You are more than welcome to post it! I am very happy that it found an audience. I hope it will be enjoyed.
My husband doesn't just like anime. He is an anime FIEND! lol! I am really glad because if he obsesses over that he can't mind me endlessly obsessing over LOTR. Ha! He won't sit down with me and watch it as often as I want to though.. but he does reread the books often and can actually beat me at the Lotr trivia games on occasion. (Once he just read the card and burst out laughing. I shouted out ELIJAH WOOD! before he could say a word. LOL! It was right, of course.)

To understand the anime appeal really you would have to watch some of the really good ones. I have seen so many with my husband both really good and really horrible that I have to say that they are worth winnowing through. They are certainly and by no means all for kids or even teenagers! There are ones that go over the top and ones that go zinging over my head. Some of the stories are very clever and very good. They have made me laugh and weep (AND walk out of the room in disgust.) As to the art style, it varies a lot. I am actually easy to please art-wise. I can see something good in just about every style there is.. and I would probably like Frodo on double bubble gum comic wrappers! LOL (and heaven forbid.)
Since I like to try my hand at everything.. (I have a potters wheel, a spinning wheel, a celtic harp, an archery target outside that I play Legolas with.. etc) I am a jack of all trades and master of none. And that includes art styles. (One of the reasons I don't have much time.) But there are definitely some styles that rub me the wrong way. (Not too many fortunately and the only thing I can think of offhand is a couple of the styles of anime) So if you don't like the typical anime style you just don't. Nothing for it. It sounds like you gave it a good try and were open-minded about it. I did the same thing with slash art and fiction and then finally decided I would stop doing this awful thing to myself I hated it so much. It doesn't offend me but like you and anime, the widespread appeal of it baffles me cause I just can't find any corner of my brain that it appeals to. Whatever floats the proverbial boat though is fine with me if I can manage to avoid it. I am certainly kinky about hobbits or at least one of them.. (well, okay.. SAM affects me that way on occasion as well.)
Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-11-10 01:45 (UTC) (Link)
I went over to your LJ now that I am back home and your photo is perfectly viewable. I could not use it for my screencap series, however. I had to go back to the FotR TE "Full screen" that I had been using for this scene. The EE widescreen you capped from produced a very different image. Not only was the picture vastly wider, the colours and exposure were very different. I think they really improved the contrast and light for the EE. I am thinking of capping the scene all over again from my EE version, it is so much brighter. But, for now, I posted the caps I got from the "fullscreen theatrical version" I rented.

Anime. I think I should have been more specific and said, "Manga." I have never seen the animated form of that art style, only a lot of the graphic novels and magazines that we own at the library. I think the illustration styles of the graphic novels are very similar to their animated versions, though, judging from screencaps posted in the Anime mag that we stock at the library. There were a few Manga series in which the style of the art seems to pay homage to older Japanese art. But most of it is the sort I really dislike, in which nearly every character looks like a saucer-eyed kindergarten student but stretched thin, with a pointed chin and a bunch of pointy hair. When I first thumbed through one, having heard of the form, I was puzzled. I was only looking at the pictures, not reading any of the texts. I did see right away why film-Frodo and EW are hits with its fans; he's a natural for them; especially if he were longer and leaner. But especially in the series rated for teens, the way the people were drawn was disturbingly freakish to me. The characters still looked like small children, but even more etiolated. The males were quite pretty, like very tall girls. The females had the tremendous, ballooning breasts of American action hero comics, but the rest of them was still the same slender, waif-ish preschooler. I found flipping through these stories very odd: it was like seeing adult scenarios played by five year-olds (with giant breasts and longer legs). The sexualization of childhood is something I've been noticing in American culture generally, but I've never seen that trend illustrated this explicitly and extremely.

So, I guess this sort of style has too much of an "eeewww" factor for me. Obviously, I have already said in this thread how much I love EW's Frodo, and am fully aware that part of his charm is in the childlike aspects of his beauty. But as silky and shiny as he is, he still looks like a young man, one who has finished puberty. He doesn't look like a really tall, thin version of himself when he was in Forever Young.

Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-11-10 01:47 (UTC) (Link)
(Part Two? -- I forgot to speak to your comments on slash.

Slash. I will link a two-part comment I wrote in another fan's LJ recently.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/maura_underhill/2218.html#cutid1

It says a lot of how came to appreciate slash. Her own entry tells even more, since it sounds like a view I have heard many times and she expresses it well.

I have enjoyed slash as erotica, a surprise in itself, if you had known me, pre-fanfics (I only have ever read LotR, specifically Frodo-centered fanfics). Slash fanfics allowed me, for the first time, to experience what it might be like to be a man in love with a man. I had had several gay friends when I was young, studying theatre, friends whom I cared for very much. But, privately, I was always squicked thinking about what they did together sexually. Imagining myself into the head and body of a besotted but gay hobbit, through good slash fanfics, has helped me get a sense for what they were feeling back in those days. In a way, I have wished I could meet up with some of those people now to beg their pardon for being so dismissive, in my heart, of their amorous feelings and relationships. I still would not want to be in a room with two men necking, understand -- well, I wouldn't want to be there with a man and a woman necking, for that matter! I like reading erotica, not watching it, LOL, no matter what gender the stars of it are.

But, however much reading hobbit slash has fired and broadened (and heated) my imagination, I don't for a second believe in it -- not in slash versions of the characters, not in a slash Shire. That is why I doubt that I will ever write a slash Frodo story, except perhaps to see if I can do it; I just don't believe in a slash Frodo. I like reading AU stuff, but for myself, I am only interested in writing fics I can imagine might have happened in Tolkien's Shire.

Slash never bothers me much anymore except when I think it seriously distorts or demeans Frodo's worth or character. This can happen in gen fics, which have no sexual element at all, too. But, perhaps because slash has such a strong erotic component, it has happened more often in slash that I have seen Frodo portrayed in a caddish, willing to behave in ways that do not befit "the best hobbit in the Shire."
Scarlet
stillscarlet at 2005-11-12 13:45 (UTC) (Link)
Slash fanfics allowed me, for the first time, to experience what it might be like to be a man in love with a man. I had had several gay friends when I was young, studying theatre, friends whom I cared for very much. But, privately, I was always squicked thinking about what they did together sexually. Imagining myself into the head and body of a besotted but gay hobbit, through good slash fanfics, has helped me get a sense for what they were feeling back in those days. In a way, I have wished I could meet up with some of those people now to beg their pardon for being so dismissive, in my heart, of their amorous feelings and relationships.

I wanted to reply to this a few days ago, Mechtild, but you know how it is. And now it's 1.30 a.m. and I may not make much sense, but I'll have a crack at it anyway!

What you said about slash giving you an insight into gay relationships speaks for me, too. Slash got rid of that "ick" factor for me, because it allowed me to see how male/male sex might be romantic and loving. Now, I don't imagine that erotica written by straight women depicts what really goes on between gay men, but just to be given a glimpse of how it *might* be was enough to totally change my point of view. If I take nothing else away from my foray into fan fiction, that will be enough.
Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-11-12 15:10 (UTC) (Link)
What you said about slash giving you an insight into gay relationships speaks for me, too. Slash got rid of that "ick" factor for me, because it allowed me to see how male/male sex might be romantic and loving. (...) If I take nothing else away from my foray into fan fiction, that will be enough.

Exactly what I meant but said in fewer words. It really has changed my mind -- and heart -- about male/male erotic love relationships.

Now, I don't imagine that erotica written by straight women depicts what really goes on between gay men (...).

True. I have read that gay men who have read slash written by women don't always have compimentary things to say about it. But the detractions are usually directed at the style of the erotica in most slash. That is, gay men are first and foremost men, and don't find smut written for women something that "works" for them very often. But I have not read that they thought the relationships themselves were badly written.
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