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NF-Lee's Gildor and Frodo

Emyn Muil, Pt. 3-a ~ “Now that I see him, I do pity him.”

Posted on 2007.04.18 at 18:32


mechtild at 2007-04-22 12:04 (UTC) (Link)
Thanks, Mariole, for commenting.

You post gorgeous caps and interesting commentary, and you get this wealth of wonderful discussion!

Well, I try. I miss the messageboards. I write for myself, but I also always try to stimulate discussion, making the entries more clearly-written than I might if I were just journaling, and addressing replies fully. But there's no replacing the messageboards.

I might check out TORc now that "Children of Hurin" is being released (still haven't received my copy from Amazon-grrr); maybe people will strike up a discussion over it.
mariole at 2007-04-22 12:42 (UTC) (Link)
I miss the messageboards, too. I think there's a certain critical mass you have to meet before you are able to sustain a discussion. If the responses are too far apart, the board loses its energy (and then its members). Very sad.

I'm sorry that I missed KD in its heyday. At least I jumped on the bandwagon before it had completely pulled out of town! I've met so many nice people here. This online communication has really enriched my life.
mechtild at 2007-04-22 13:12 (UTC) (Link)
Heck, you got to K-D before I did! But I did my most heated discussing at TORc (Tolkien Online) before I got to the Harem. No swooning there unless you did it in a fan thread.

You are right, a critical mass is needed. There have to be enough people who really want to discuss a topic (and not just chat) to make a decent, viable thread. But even when commenting has been sharp and involved in this LJ, it never can be sustained because of the nature of LJ commenting. It is always one-on-one, of necessity. In a messageboard thread, everyone who subscribes gets a reply notice to every comment, so the discussion is a group discussion; you reply not just to people who specifically speak to you, but to the larger conversation. "Ah, but Voronwe, you said above to Telcontar blah-blah-blah. Supporting Lalia's excellent reply, I want to say blah-blah-blah." Like that. Here, it's just the LJ owner and each respondent, typically. If I respond in someone else's LJ, I may have read all the comments that appeared before mine, but once I've commented I'm done, unless someone replies to me specifically and I get the notice. Even then, if I reply directly from the emailed notice, I may never again visit the actual thread, and see what else might have been said in the interim.

Well, you know all this. How's the novel going? All wrapped and tidied?
mariole at 2007-04-22 13:30 (UTC) (Link)
Oh, yeah. The last 15,000 words just poured out in 15 minutes. It was a miracle!

Okay, so I fixed the transition in the last chapter, and now I'm starting the final chapter again. It's funny, but I'll envision a scene and it just doesn't work on paper. My preference is to toss the whole thing and start in a completely different direction. If I feel weighed down, it's my subconscious telling me to re-examine my assumptions; something is not working! When it is, Zoom!

So, here's final chapter, start #2!

PS: Good comments about messageboards. Yes, it's that coming back thing that kills threads dead. There's no life beyond a day or two. Also, it's hard to find again. Sad.
mechtild at 2007-04-22 17:28 (UTC) (Link)
That's great about your final chapter, Mariole. And a good example for me. I've been stuck for ever, trying to go on with my own story. I hate tossing a partial chapter I've worked so hard on, and with so many things I really like, not to mention links to material to come. But maybe I should just come at it from a completely different angle and give up the notion of keeping it as planned, trusting that nothing good will be wasted but will show up eventually, as flashbacks or something.
mariole at 2007-04-22 17:45 (UTC) (Link)
Everyone has their own way of working. For me, I find a chapter that is not working is a suffocating blanket. I keep looking at what is there, instead of what needs to be there. It's best if I don't look at the old stuff at all, and just create something new. I do save the existing chapter, but I set it completely aside and don't look at it unless I realize I want to mine a paragraph or something out of it. Then I open it, swipe what I need, and close it again. I don't want to be polluted by what is there already.

My progress always shows me if I'm on the right track. For example, today I have written seven pages and it's not even noon yet. Yesterday, I wrote three pages and bogged down. It was just not working. By coming at the scene in a completely different way, I've broken through the block. I ended up not saving a single sentence from my chapter yesterday, but I'm just about to start the explosions, so I'm happy!

This is just my process. I know that everyone has different ways of working. For example, one of my friends writes all the good parts, and leaves gaps between them. She afterwards goes in and fills in all the missing sections. Another person writes deliberately bad, just to get it all out. She then goes back and extensively revises all of her work. There is no right way to do it; the trickiest part of the whole thing is to find a method that works for you and frees you up to proceed.

So? Proceed! :-D Cheers, and good luck!
mechtild at 2007-04-22 18:05 (UTC) (Link)
What a variety of ways to go about it! Thanks for shining some light on the subject, Mariole.

And go, you, on your work today. Be sure to stay ahead of that explosion! (Or maybe it's the idea to be at the heart of it?)
mariole at 2007-04-22 19:36 (UTC) (Link)
This is why I love hearing about people's creative process. It's similar, but also so unique. It's very inspiring!
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