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NF-Lee's Gildor and Frodo

Emyn Muil, Pt. 3-a ~ “Now that I see him, I do pity him.”

Posted on 2007.04.18 at 18:32


mechtild at 2007-04-19 13:24 (UTC) (Link)
That's very interesting, Lily, about Gandalf's voice at the Seat of Seeing. I have always read others saying it was meant to be Gandalf's voice in comments and commentary, but it really could be meant to be read as an internalization of what Frodo *knew* would be Gandalf's words, if Gandalf were there. And that is even more valuable to a person maturing, since a real person can't count on receiving actual mind-speech at crises in their lives.
lily_the_hobbit at 2007-04-19 18:03 (UTC) (Link)
It needed many readings until I became aware of the inner fight at the Seat of Seeing. There are three voices in Frodo's head at that moment... and only one is his own. And at this point I think it really WAS Gandalf who "talked to him" - especially since Gandalf later says that he has seen everything and helped Frodo somehow (sorry, I can't remember the exact wording or the exact scene to look it up).

Here the scene atthe Seat of Seeing when Frodo feels the Eye upon him:

He heard himself crying out: Never, never! Or was it: Verily, I come, I come to you? He could not tell. Then as a flash from some other point of power there came to his mind another thought: Take it off! Take it off! Fool, take it off! Take off the Ring!

The first is Frodo's voice - or his spirit fighting Sauron. The second, for me, is the Ring, calling its Master. The third definitely is Gandalf - this time not as in memory like in the Emyn Muil, but really there in a way.
mechtild at 2007-04-19 21:47 (UTC) (Link)
Oh, OK. I misunderstood. I thought you were saying the voice of Gandalf did *not* come to him at the Seat of Seeing, when you made this remark in your first comment:

I don't believe though that it is Gandalf's voice as he hears it on he Seat of Seeing. I think it's more an unconscious alteration he made himself to, like you said, make it fit exactly to his situation.

~ Mechtild
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