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NF-Lee's Gildor and Frodo

Emyn Muil, Pt. 3-a ~ “Now that I see him, I do pity him.”

Posted on 2007.04.18 at 18:32


pearlette at 2007-04-19 12:12 (UTC) (Link)
Film Frodo is deliciously gorgeous in this scene. Not least for all the emotions that play out across his face. *swoon* How I'd love to run my fingers through those soft, dark curls ...

This scene was well done in the film, I agree, despite the changes made to all three protagonists. Film Gollum is very pitiful (and also kind of cute) but he's also very funny, too. ("Nice hobbit!" :D)

There's nothing cute about Book Gollum, who alternates between being pitiful, savage, scary and sometimes downright hilarious.

Peter Woodthorpe's Gollum in the BBC LOTR is a tour de force: deeply pitiable, but also deeply malevolent - one just doesn't know when he might turn. Sam's deep suspicions of him are so very understandable and yet the reader is enabled to see Gollum through Frodo's eyes: to see this poor wretch could actually be redeemed. Frodo, of course, has learned to see with Gandalf's eyes.

I really love this scene in the BBC radio LOTR. It's awesome. Ian Holm's Frodo is magnificent: so stern, so commanding, and yet so ... so ... compassionate and wise, able to see Gollum for what he is, and pity him deeply. You really hear Frodo grow, spiritually, in this encounter!

Mechtild, I had never noticed before that Frodo's memory of Gandalf's words differs from the actual words spoken to him at the time. That is fascinating. I agree with you that it must have been intentional.

I have problems with the antagonism that PJ set up between Frodo and Sam in the film. As you know. Sigh. Sam is sometimes bullying (and even cruel in his treatment of Gollum, which Book Sam never is) and ... well, I've said it all before. Yes.

There was a poster at Imladris who used to be incredibly aggravating about this whole thing. She loved Sam and didn't care much for Frodo - which was her prerogative as a reader, of course! Not all Tolkien fans are Frodo fans! But she would deliberately use Film Frodo's credulousness re: Gollum to cast aspersions on Book Frodo. Grrrrrr!

It was unbelievably irritating. :D
mechtild at 2007-04-19 13:45 (UTC) (Link)
Great response, Pearl! I have to go to work this minute (GAH!), but I want to say a few things to this when I get back.
mechtild at 2007-04-20 03:48 (UTC) (Link)
Pearl, I've been listening to the narrated LotR, and also re-listened to the BBC radio LotR in the last few months. They both were treats, but the "dynamic trio" of Frodo, Sam, and Gollum really are the stars of the BBC production. I agree with everything you said up there about them, plus Sam whom you didn't mention but I know you love (William Nighy).

Your story about your exasperating friend was sooooo funny. Don't mistake me, though, I really do love the films and appreciated the film characters so much, even if they are their own distinct reality. As I've been presenting the screencaps, in the past six months I find I have more and more been not only seeing the differences between the film and book versions, but more and more letting them each be themselves.

Just like the dysfunctional Sam/Frodo/Gollum. I chafed against it terribly in the films, making excuses for what they could mean by it (the writers) and was it the result of all the last-minute writing they did, but working on these Two Towers caps (and the sets to come) show me they really had worked out this set of relationships pretty carefully. It was not an accident or a last-minute re-write except in minor details. When we get to the scene, I'll bring in a snippet from the book by Brian Sibley on PJ as filmmaker that shows, indirectly, they planned to do "Go Home Sam" from very early on. Rather than making me outraged, to know that actually helps me to better let go of trying to judge the films according to how faithful they were to the books. As adaptations go, I suppose they were pretty faithful, but no, it wasn't faithful. But it was still great film-making! And remarkably good Tolkien, if different Tolkien. Oh, it's late and I'm not sure if I'm making sense. This will have to do.
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