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NF-Lee's Gildor and Frodo

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Posted on 2007.02.21 at 10:18


janira11 at 2007-02-21 16:52 (UTC) (Link)
I agree in everything...I am catholic and when I was younger I did teach to children preparing them to Communion,and I had to study some theology ,christian and jewish as well.I am telling you this to let you know that I know about it and you are perfectly right.
There are catholic monks in Italy who some weeks ago celebrated Tolkien and his world as allegory of our religion.If I find the link I put so you see.
And,I do see Frodo's character as Jesus,the ring is the cross.
Elves are angels,and look at Arwen's pictures ,in some she looks like Virgin Mary.
No offense here..Just Tolkien's love for the most beautiful beliefs of catholic religion...
Thank you my dear...I admire you for the time you dedicate to the analysis of the movie's scenes.
Jackson is catholic...right...so...no wonder here...
mechtild at 2007-02-21 22:16 (UTC) (Link)
Thanks, Janira. I actually am a Catholic, a rather lax one, but only since middle-adulthood. I grew up without any religious formation, my family identifying itself on forms but that was about it. But there was loads of religious art around then: paintings, music, trinkets, pageants, bible movies -- it wasn't as though I was unexposed to the symbols and many stories of Judaism and Christianity. I didn't believe them, and some of it I found seriously disturbing, but I always loved the music and pictures.

That's why I think religious imagery can "work" for people who don't consider themselves religious. The images and themes are so interwoven into the history of art and literature, they resonate with viewers and listeners even if they are unacceptable as cognitive truths.

I saw your post in Italian down there and wondered what it was, recognizing about half of the words. Thanks for the explanation!
mechtild at 2007-02-22 13:58 (UTC) (Link)
Janira, I had meant to comment to this, too:

Jackson is catholic...right...so...no wonder here...

Really? I hadn't known that. After all the commentaries I've listened to, reading the bio, the matter of his religion - or Fran's - never came up in an explicit way. The "feel" I got from listening to them talk about themselves, their work and LotR was that they were sort of what I'd call "Post-Christian" - accepting a lot of the underlying concepts about God (God as love, for instance), but not the actual Christian claims, and not affiliated with any church, or involved in concrete religious practice (prayer, worship, etc.).

That's very interesting!
janira11 at 2007-02-23 09:45 (UTC) (Link)
When I say Catholic it doesn't mean Strictly catholic,I mean...to obey to the pope and everything else.I mean Catholic in a cultural meaning, the way a person is raised by family...his or her beliefs,yes Love,Pardon,The concept of God as father and/or mother(as John Paul 2 said).This is being catholic,someone who have received the baptism,but free to think and to act respecting others, not obeying to the Vatican.There is a big fight here in Italy.As always The Vatican tries to be the leader over italian government...I am so angry.My church ,my ideal church is what SAN FRANCESCO wanted to do...
And John Paul 1 too, do you remember? In 1978(I was a very young girl)he tried to change the Vatican,then after only a month he died....
He was in perfect health...
So, Catholic is a way of thinking and behaving, not something oppressive or restrictive...
I was raised to think this way in my catholic education, very liberal.
Sorry for the long post.I hope to express my ideas in a good enough English....sigh

mechtild at 2007-02-24 05:27 (UTC) (Link)
Ah, you mean "Catholic" in the way I would say I'm American. I was born here, and so am automatically a citizen. I work here, receive the benefits of living here, and will probably die here. But while I admire much of what the country does and stands for, there is much I decry and disavow. Super-conservatives would say I have some very un-American views, which would undermine the country. Super-liberal ones would say my views aren't radical enough, and that I'm do-nothing about changing things -- not like an American of old at all.

But I still think I am correct in calling myself "American". Heck, I can't call myself French or Chinese -- or Italian, for that matter -- can I? :D
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