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NF-Lee's Gildor and Frodo

Caravaggio’s “Bacchus” – complete Re-do of old manip....

Posted on 2006.12.19 at 15:35


mechtild at 2006-12-20 17:23 (UTC) (Link)
Oh, thanks so much, Este! I have seen this Van Eyck before, and have heard there is a portrait in the mirror, but I never ran across a close-up that would show what they were talking about! That is SO cool!

In the bio I just finished about Caravaggio, the author maintained that Caravaggio -- who did his apprenticeship in Lombardia in Milan, in the studio of a big artist who was a follower of Titian (this was before C. struck out for Rome, still young and poor) -- admired the work of the painters of the Northern Renaissance. The Flemish painters were known for their fantastic detail-work. Not just their pictures of people, but their landscapes, their interiors, their still life paintings (all those vases of flowers, bowls of fruit, and market or kitchen table scenes!) were greatly admired for their technique. I think they also liked to hide things in paintings, like the images in that mirror. If they did a nativity, they might slip the benefactors into the painting, letting them star as the shepherds or the wisemen; that sort of thing.

Maybe Caravaggio got the idea from them? He certainly was noted for his wonderfully detailed still life work, which often was included within his larger dramatic paintings of people.
whiteling at 2006-12-20 19:01 (UTC) (Link)
... Oh my sweet Eru - Mechtild - this renewed Bacchus manip almost kills me. Seriously! Quite an improvement to your first go. I agree, his gaze has the “Is this, then, it?”, it's an almost Faust-ish weariness "Habe nun, ach..." - his wonderful opening monolongue in his study...

"I HAVE, alas! Philosophy,
Medicine, Jurisprudence too,
And to my cost Theology,
With ardent labour, studied through.
And here I stand, with all my lore,
Poor fool, no wiser than before."

Well, Bacchus' business is different from Faust's, but their conclusions seem comparable, somehow.

Thanks for the info on C.'s tiny reflection in the carafe, I didn't know that! I think it's well possible that he got the idea from the Flemish masters.
Este, that Van Eyck painting is so lovely, isn't it. There is an interesting reflection drawing by M.C. Escher:


Mechtild, I also loved your remarks on the two different interpretations of Frodo - I've never heard the BBC production, but I can imagine that Ian Holm made Frodo very "human".
mechtild at 2006-12-20 22:57 (UTC) (Link)
Wow, Whiteling! That Escher drawing was great - and right in the same genre (except that he didn't hide it). And your Faust quote was so apt! I have never read Faust or even seen the play, only listened to Gounod's opera. I am familiar with the story, of course. Caravaggio certainly made a picture that bears repeated viewings -- and close ones.

Too bad we can't see it in person. You might, someday; I think it's in the Uffizi gallery. I went there twice on my "big trip to Europe" thirty years ago. Unfortunately, the staff was on strike on both occasions and it was closed. *sniffle*
pearlette at 2006-12-21 15:42 (UTC) (Link)
Oh, you're kidding, Mechtild. :(:(:(:(:(

How lucky I was, to be able to visit the Uffizi just once, on holiday with my sister in Florence in April 1993.

I was in Renaissance Heaven. It is beyond fabulous.

As for your manip ... oooh, moody, melancholy Frodo!

What a sexy little beast. He needs a loving Haremite in his lap to cheer him up!

mechtild at 2006-12-21 21:35 (UTC) (Link)
I was in Renaissance Heaven. It is beyond fabulous.

*suffers envy* Lucky thing! Well, maybe before I die....

Glad you liked the sexy little beast. I think I see the haremite/little Pearl from your icon heading his way as we speak. She's already had a lot of practice, sitting on the lad's lap in that swing.
pearlette at 2006-12-22 00:29 (UTC) (Link)
hah, that little minx was wanting to do a lot more than just sit on his lap! :p She's so WICKED, chortle.

In the nicest possible way. :)

*heaves a dreamy sigh*

I am nuts about anything Renaissance. Early, Middle, High, Late. Italian, Dutch. It's all fabulous. My favourite art period. Especially as it was so revolutionary. Well, OK, they weren't discovering anything new, more like rediscovering it all, of course, but it was all part of Europe moving from a medieval mindset to a modern one, I guess.
mechtild at 2006-12-22 01:45 (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, I love the Renaissance best, too, if I had to choose. Caravaggio had been one of my faves, even before I began reading up on him and doing Frodo manips, but I had assumed he was Baroque. Apparently he's considered late Renaissance, time-wise, working at the time of Shakespeare, approximately. But his work was so unconventional, so daring for its time, he apparently had a huge impact on the art that followed, which actually was the Baroque.

Of all the museums I visited in Europe (not that very many, considering how many there are), I think my favourite was the museum in Nuremburg, followed by the one in Amsterdam. They were LOADED with works of the Northern Renaissance. The carvings and paintings of that era from Holland and Flanders based on biblical stories are the ones that most move me religiously. And the genre paintings are sensational. Unfortunately, I didn't see as much from the Italian Renaissance as I would have liked, due to the rampant strikes that summer. I have seen more 15th and 16th century Italian art in museums in London or the U.S. than in Italy, alas.
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