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NF-Lee's Gildor and Frodo

Gorgoroth Part I ~ EE scenes, plus jan-u-wine's 'There is Light Which Does Not Fail'.

Posted on 2006.08.21 at 13:52

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Mechtild
mechtild at 2007-08-24 04:21 (UTC) (Link)

Re: What a BEAUTIFUL post! wow

Well, thank you, Perientari! I didn't expect to see a comment on this. You certainly have splashed a fresh coat of paint, so to speak, on an older post. I agree that the filmmakers' were very aware that physical closeness between Frodo and Sam might make audiences interpret it as meaning they were lovers or wished to be. There is certainly a large group of Frodo and Sam fans who wish it were the case, and who believe it is so in the book, even if Tolkien couldn't bring himself to write it explicitly. Personally, I don't think Tolkien intended to do so, and I don't see it in the text. But what looks one way in print looks another way acted out for the eyes to see, especially from a contemporary perspective.

However, granting that the filmmakers' probably gave a thought to toning down the moments of physical tenderness Sam expressed many times in the book, they left in a lot that would be food for speculation, so I think they were pretty brave. They even added body contact, in the case of the opening scenes, that gave the impression Frodo and Sam were peer pals (horsing around at the party, arms around each other coming home from the inn, etc.), as if they were close cousins or school friends who had grown up together. This was not their book relationship, but, well, the films are the films. Making Sam less servant-ish, Frodo less master-like, and Merry and Pippin less "upper class", was part of their general portrayal.

Thanks again for commenting at length. It was a pleasure to read your response.
Hobbity forever
periantari at 2007-08-24 04:34 (UTC) (Link)

Re: What a BEAUTIFUL post! wow

Making Sam less servant-ish, Frodo less master-like, and Merry and Pippin less "upper class", was part of their general portrayal.
Yes, i agree with that. And i think after Frodo and Sam left the pub, the gesture with Frodo putting his arm on Sam's shoulder was pretty non-Master-like, so to speak.

I definitely think PJ didn't really portray Frodo and Sam to be a master/servant relationship but more of just close friends. There were gestures more in the book, as you pointed out, that showed more of seemingly respect from Sam to Frodo.
I think the added EE scene with Sam and Frodo seeing the star was a nice scene to add. I also really liked The End of All Things with Frodo and Sam hugging in the end ...i was really touched with both of those scenes.
Mechtild
mechtild at 2007-08-24 04:44 (UTC) (Link)

Re: What a BEAUTIFUL post! wow

I think the added EE scene with Sam and Frodo seeing the star was a nice scene to add.

I thought it worked really well too. I wish it had been in the theatrical version. Not all the scenes for Frodo added to RotK EE were good, but this was one of them. And I loved the way the camera pulled away at the end of the scene to show the two of them sitting in a little nook in the vast rocky landscape. Two such tiny little figures in all that cold wasteland, hoping to stay hid from the enemy while they shivered. I didn't make a cap of that moment because the scene didn't really look like much of anything on a little computer monitor. But on the movie screen it played really well.

Well, nighty-night, Periantari. It's bedtime in this part of the world.
Hobbity forever
periantari at 2007-08-24 04:48 (UTC) (Link)

Re: What a BEAUTIFUL post! wow

so is it here but i'm now too hyper to sleep. :P
FRODO!
::incoherent babble starts:: ;)
good night to yoU! ♥
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