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NF-Lee's Gildor and Frodo

Gorgoroth Part I ~ EE scenes, plus jan-u-wine's 'There is Light Which Does Not Fail'.

Posted on 2006.08.21 at 13:52

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Mechtild
mechtild at 2006-08-22 20:30 (UTC) (Link)
Thanks, Not Alone. Of the two you mentioned, I reeeeeaaally missed the presence of the scene in which Gollum has his "moment of grace". I love the Sam and Frodo part of it, of course, *sniffle*, but there really was no moment in the movie that took over the function of that "grace moment" for Gollum. I missed the C.U. scene of the book quite a lot, which they seemed to change into a scene from later on, which I mentioned, when Sam offers to carry the Ring when they are down in the Morgai and makes Frodo lose it. I did think they managed to get some sense of the C.U. scene in the "Do you remember the taste of strawberries?" scene, which is not set up that way in the book at all. I appreciated that they finally had a scene in which we see Sam cradle and comfort a broken, nearly delirious Frodo. But the moment for Gollum, so important for the "mercy theme" in the larger story, really had no substitute.
Estë   (or ST for short)
este_tangletoes at 2006-08-22 21:19 (UTC) (Link)
Pardon me for butting in, but if my memory serves me well, I think I remember seeing a twinge of regret in Gollum's face during Sam's United Nations speach. Or perhaps this occured at another point in the film.

BTW did I get the title right 'UN speach'?
Mechtild
mechtild at 2006-08-22 22:31 (UTC) (Link)
You are right, Este. Gollum and his creators did a beautiful job on him in that moment. It was even specially scored by Howard Shore.

Still, hearing the Big Speech from Sam would not produce the same magical-moment-suspended-in-time effect that his coming upon the two hobbits sleeping, just by chance, in that way. If I recall, the thing that moved Gollum was seeing kinship in them at that moment, that he was like them, another hobbit. The U.N. speech could only appeal in so far as Sam was able to speak movingly, like any preacher or orator.

I'm not saying Sean didn't do a good job with his speech, it's just not something that would produce the same sort of response ... "Identification"?
Mechtild
mechtild at 2006-08-22 22:32 (UTC) (Link)
P.S., Yeah, I've often heard that called Sam's "U.N. Speech". Quite right. (Just shows what people think of the U.N., sadly....)
Estë   (or ST for short)
este_tangletoes at 2006-08-23 17:37 (UTC) (Link)
Nothing could replace the scene in the book. It really is a heart-breaker. Now that I have read the books so many times I can dip into it for a treat. I often find myself returning to that particular scene in ‘The Stairs of Cirith Ungol’. My sensitive heart weeps also for Gollum. From the beginning he was someone’s innocent little baby, being cared for and loved.

*Oh shut up ST or you’ll be starting a Gollum Appreciation Society* **rolls eyes**.

I wish that scene had had been included in the film. Now that would have destroyed me.

Mechtild
mechtild at 2006-08-23 19:55 (UTC) (Link)
That scene would have destroyed me, too. *whaaaah*

No, wait. If PJ, Fran, and Philippa got their hands on it, they'd probably change it. Sam, having been outrageously sent home, not Gollum would creep sadly up the ledge to see Frodo with his head in Gollum's lap. Gollum would open his lizard eyes and give Sam the smuggest, snarkiest tight-lipped smile. Sam would wibble then crawl off dejectedly to sob. *grrrrr*
Estë   (or ST for short)
este_tangletoes at 2006-08-23 20:09 (UTC) (Link)
*grrrrr* indeed.

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