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NF-Lee's Gildor and Frodo

Gorgoroth Part I ~ EE scenes, plus jan-u-wine's 'There is Light Which Does Not Fail'.

Posted on 2006.08.21 at 13:52

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pearlette
pearlette at 2006-08-21 22:41 (UTC) (Link)
Yay for Mechtild Screencap Fests!

Frodo and Sam's agonising journey across Mordor is a tremendously powerful and moving part of the book. Le sigh.

On my first viewing of the film, I was disappointed with the Mordor section. It felt soooo rushed. *pout* Subsequent viewings helped me feel better about the monumental - and impossible - task PJ had set himself. Because no film could ever really do this book justice. PJ came as close as anyone is ever likely to do. The films give me much to enjoy, even if they don't quite touch the depths that the book does.

The scene in the film as Frodo and Sam wait to die is simply beautiful.
'I'm glad to be with you, Samwise Gamgee ... here at the end of all things.' And this time it is Frodo who comforts Sam as they wait for death. For that alone - and the Eagles' rescue, simply one of the most magnificent things in cinema I've ever seen - I forgive PJ much!

As for Frodo and Sam's physicality in the film, I really do think that PJ got it pretty much right. I really don't think the hand-holding would have worked particularly well. Instead, Film Sam and Film Frodo indulged in long, schmoopy looks. :p This may well have been a nod to the slash fans. But a lot of people just took the Look simply as a token of deep friendship. So PJ ended up in pleasing everybody, in that regard at least. :)

The BBC LOTR much more successfully captures the shifting master/servant dynamics of Frodo/Sam, and also the deep love between the two hobbits.

I get something from both adaptations. The BBC LOTR is much more faithful to canon - it achieves this with considerable aplomb. But PJ's films gave me a gorgeous Frodo and a lovable Sam (let's forget about Film Sam's bossiness for a moment.) As I said, I can forgive PJ much. :)

Mechtild
mechtild at 2006-08-22 01:52 (UTC) (Link)
Ha! Snagged you! I was hoping to reel you in with one of these posts.

The scene in the film as Frodo and Sam wait to die is simply beautiful.
'I'm glad to be with you, Samwise Gamgee ... here at the end of all things.' And this time it is Frodo who comforts Sam as they wait for death. For that alone - and the Eagles' rescue, simply one of the most magnificent things in cinema I've ever seen - I forgive PJ much!


*forgives all*

I don't know; I think the hand-holding could have worked. But they couldn't have the hand-holding and the long, drawn-out schmoopy looks. ONe or the other. I'd have preferred the former. Not that I didn't enjoy the schmoopy looks, I just thought they were ... *long*.

Well, you know how I love the Mordor section in the BBC LotR. How fabulously Ian Holm and Bill Nighy do every scene.

The film eagles were definitely an improvement, though. *hysterical laughter from all BBC LotR listeners.
pearlette
pearlette at 2006-08-22 10:56 (UTC) (Link)
Eagles schmeagles

The film eagles didn't TALK. :p

The film eagles are MAGNIFICENT. *sigh*

Actually, I rather like the voice of Gwaihir in the BBC LOTR, when he comes to rescue Gandalf from Orthanc. The actor doing his voice pitches it just right: a bit nasal, but regal. It's that awful SINGING eagle that really is hilarious. :D There's no way that PJ could have had a Talking Eagle in his films. No, no, no!

Smaug, now ... Smaug is a whole different kettle of fish. :)

Frodo and Sam Schmoop
You're right about the hand-holding and the long, schmoopy looks. Oh dear me, no. That would have been too soppy for words. :D

I wanted to see Frodo asleep with his head in Sam's lap. But instead of Gollum's near-repentance, PJ gave us a stupid row about lembas. One, two, three ... let's all trout PJ!!

The Mordor scenes in the BBC are fantastic. Ian Holm truly made Frodo come alive for me, you know. *loves on Sir Ian*

And Bill Nighy in The Choices of Master Samwise ... :wearenotworthy:
Mechtild
mechtild at 2006-08-22 12:37 (UTC) (Link)
Amen to all that. You are right; Gwaihir wasn't bad talking. But the song of the Eagles! Why chose a counter tenor to sing an eagle? The counter tenor worked very well singing the Lorien music, where his other-worldly, almost castrato voice suited better. But it's not just the voice. I know we discussed it in the BBC thread, but it's that danged jangly piano accompaniment. Just like a toy piano with some kid trying to bang out Saint-saen's Carnival of the Animals.
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