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NF-Lee's Gildor and Frodo

Art Travesty: Frodo in 'Faun and Bacchante', by Bouguereau....

Posted on 2006.07.14 at 20:22


whiteling at 2006-07-15 15:42 (UTC) (Link)
What is the symbolic significance of the amphora? I figured it just implied they were at the usual drunken orgies Bacchus was supposed to host. Do you mean its shape? Or something else? I don't know what the festive pine-cone topped staff is supposed to signify other that fertility (pinecones-lots of seeds; staff-long projectile). But I don't know why a Bacchante be toting this particular sort of staff around, since Bacchus was not particularly a fertility god.

Well, at first I thought of the male/female symbolism in the broadest archetypical sense - staff and vessel, lingam and yoni...you know; and the whole thing with a nice twist, as he is holding the yoni part, and she would carry the lingam thingy (read: both are united already).
Interestingly, I found following on a German art page:
"The pine cone is a symbol for richness, fertility and carnal love (therefore, it is a symbol for the phallus as well). A pine cone crowns the upper end of a staff called Thyrsos. It is said, that the thyrsos comes from an umbellifer ("Nartex", sorry couldn't find its English name) which was worn by the women at the Bacchanalias. The thyrsos is an old symbol of fertility."

I couldn't find any specific symbolic meaning of the amphora though, but to me it is generally the representative of the female vessel.

Yes, too bad such pics aren't allowed at KD! Hm. You could manip a VERY large amphora in front of her butt. :-D

mechtild at 2006-07-15 17:52 (UTC) (Link)
That was so cool, Whiteling! I should consult you everytime before I post a new manip. I loved that they had the two symbols, but reversed (he holding the female symbol, she the male). For isn't that very true for lovers? That one "holds" the body/sexuality/passionate devotion of the other?

The note on the pine cone blew me away. Actually brought to Bacchanalias! Well, wasn't Bouguereau right on the money. I suppose it does have a very phallic look, or it wouldn't have suggested a sex toy.

As for the bacchante's butt, I could paint in the back of a thong, which would mean she wasn't technically naked, and draw a sequined pastie on her nipple, but somehow I think it would take away from the overall elevated tone of the manip. ;)
mechtild at 2006-07-15 18:08 (UTC) (Link)
I Googled up a few sites on Dionysus. They all mentioned the pine-cone-tipped staff, interpreting it variously, but always associating it with his role as god of growth and fertility. (I guess the "god of wine" role is the opener: first he gets worshippers loosened up with the wine, then they move on to the fertility.)

Here's a quote that took the fertility idea and extended it to a non-generative interpretation:

His phallic staff (thyrsus) crowned by a pine cone represents the human faculties of wisdom and inspiration.

I always knew there was more to Muse Frodo than a roll in the hay. :)
whiteling at 2006-07-15 19:52 (UTC) (Link)
Yes, that is all such fascinating staff, errr, stuff, isn't it? ;-)

I always knew there was more to Muse Frodo than a roll in the hay. :)
Amen to that!! --- Now, where do we get those thyrsus sticks for the Harem?
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