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NF-Lee's Gildor and Frodo

Fearturing Bandwench's Frodo manip ~ "Frodo: Study in Blue" (Adult)....

Posted on 2006.06.25 at 12:41


mechtild at 2006-06-26 21:50 (UTC) (Link)
Bagma, I think you speak well and speak for many when you write,

Of course, we use Elijah's face; but it's clear from the beginning we don't describe the real Elijah. What we are picturing is our fantasy of him, and we are free to do that and share the product of our imagination with others, IMO.

But I like to know that the real actor is not outraged by it. I like him, I'm grateful to him, so I wouldn't want to make him miserable. But, it sounds as though this doesn't make him miserable, per se, even if it might cause him to roll his eyes and wonder what we see in him and the character he created.

I agreed with this wholeheartedly:

I need a good manip: I want to forget it's not real while I'm looking at it, like I want to believe the story is true while I'm reading a fic:).

I love that in a fanfic, that the author can make me suspend disbelief and believe her world (at least while I am reading it!), or believe her manip in so far as it shows good technique and presents an image of the character I can respond to and recognize (and I think we can call Elijah Wood a character in so far as he appears in fics and manips, since he is merely a model for the role created by fans).
taerie at 2006-06-27 12:13 (UTC) (Link)
What was said above is very true. We are free to fantasize all we want about Mr.Wood.. till the cows come home or the king returns.. We are free to create sexy images of him and write stories and make and wear exciting underwear with his name written across the back. We have that right and the right to share those fantasies with a group of friends. Where I part company is publicly posting something like that about an actual living, breathing person. Frodo is one thing.. even cultural icon Frodo with EW's face patented on the front.. But Mr. Elijah Wood is quite another.
I don't feel that celebrities give up their basic personal rights just because they are in a certain line of work. Mr Wood is definitely young.. he is likely very hurtable.. despite his bold front. He may say he doesn't mind but what choice has he really? People are gonna do what they are gonna do and he might as well put a good face on it. He's an adult though.. and responsible for what he says.
It's a personal choice, no question.. and this is no sacrifice for me so I have no real right to express an opinion. it really doesn't impact ME one way or another since as you said.. He's not my swoon. But as someone who is old enough to be his mom, I worry about him sometimes. I don't claim to know him.. Heck.. you ALL probably know his personality way more than I because I simply don't pay attention.. but a little corner of my mind still worries. My personal nightmare is him ending up like River Phoenix.. A good, sensitive young man in an especially wild world and who knows who he hangs out with.. It could happen and I wouldn't want to take the chance of adding any stress to someone like that. Thats how I feel.. but I also know that it is as certain as death and taxes that stuff like that will be publicly posted.. and that he will see at least the stuff that is shoved under his nose. People are gonna do what they are gonna do.. but right and just? No. I don't think so. It is far from a perfect world and we all have to live in it.. but I try not to take any chance of hurting somebody.. and I am pretty sure that this probably isn't something that does him any GOOD. He gets enough attention and swooning to do a lot of eye rolling without that, I think.
By all means have fun.. but try to remember that EW may not make a distinction between the pretend EW and his very own self. You may be able to put on the skin of another person but not able to take your own skin off.
mechtild at 2006-06-27 15:50 (UTC) (Link)
By all means have fun.. but try to remember that EW may not make a distinction between the pretend EW and his very own self. You may be able to put on the skin of another person but not able to take your own skin off.

Sorry I took a while to get back, Taerie. I was finishing up a chapter to post.

Naturally, since there is so much out there, I hope you are wrong about EW turning out like River Phoenix, no matter how much stuff is out there. I really am not worried about him becoming unhinged over the sexy stuff, but if people started putting his head on deviants, or making manips of him and his girlfriend, that really might provoke some "no more Mr. Nice Guy" response from the cheerfully-behaved person he projects to the public.

I think you speak for many, Taerie, who simply aren't saying anything in this string of comments, and are cheering you on as the one who speaks for them.

It is certainly a questionable practice; one which, obviously I am willing to look at and enjoy the art of, especially as a fellow-manipper and writer of fic, although mine is about a fictional character. If fans did this for money, to make a profit off EW's face and persona, I am sure the lawsuits would not be long in coming.

But, for now, he maintains a "what the heck?" public attitude. But, you are right, that public behaviour may mask a much less favourable reaction, since he is under pressure to put a good face on things and be a sport. What he really feels, perhaps he will reveal one day. It is always clear that he doesn't want to hurt his fans, and I don't think it's just because they'll stop paying to see his films or something. It's because he really appreciates their devotion and support. If some of us fans show our admiration and devotion in some pretty odd ways, he seems able to live with that.

Whether one does or doesn't choose to write/draw or read/look at sexual material based on the image of EW (or any other star) remains a personal choice. I think yours is the majority one. It is mine, on a deep level, since I am sort of "sneaking peeks" at the EW material. But I am not sneaking peaks of things like the Frodo manip above. I think it's gorgeous, not porny, and something to be proud of.

I just hope you can remember the artist does both sorts of work, and to express appreciation for the sort of work you do like.

Phooey, but I must go to work! It's been a great discussion, Taerie. I think you have helped me -- and others reading silently -- a lot on this issue, getting ideas and feelings "out on the table."

taerie at 2006-06-27 17:28 (UTC) (Link)
Thanks Mechtild for putting up with my blithering.. I get carried away when I feel strongly about something.. I don't expect anybody to pay me any mind really.
For the record, I do NOT think that he will end up like River Phoenix.. The possibility just makes me uneasy that's all. It would hurt a lot if he did. I hope YOU are right and he can live with it. He obviously has to. He seems like a sweet, joyful fellow and we all agree that he is talented and beautiful.. but just cause he is a movie star doesn't mean he is exempt from doing his time as a goofy kid that we all do. (And I think hobbits have the right of it for big people too. I certainly wasn't an adult in my head till thirty.. and anybody who knows me would probably add that they are still waiting.LOL!)

mechtild at 2006-06-27 22:21 (UTC) (Link)
I certainly wasn't an adult in my head till thirty.. and anybody who knows me would probably add that they are still waiting.LOL!)

ME, TOO! I still haven't grown up, it seems. Maybe when I'm 80. I've said it before, but it still boggles my mind that EW acted Frodo between the ages of 18 and 20 or 21. BOGGLES.

(Hi, just got back from work).
mechtild at 2006-06-27 22:35 (UTC) (Link)
P.S. Taerie, I wrote a bit more below about out our discussion as one worth having, to Este.
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