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NF-Lee's Gildor and Frodo

BBM Screencaps ~ The Kiss Scenes, Pt. VII (Final), The 'Dozy Embrace'....

Posted on 2006.05.03 at 17:31


maeglian at 2006-05-05 07:18 (UTC) (Link)
Yes, I have heard that, from posters on Wranglers and DC. I've also seen one person at a message board going on about the sloppy editing - obviously not catching on that there were two different scenes involved in there.

Another thing I'd heard repeatedly, was that there is absolute proof that the later inserted gay-bashing scene was just in Ennis's imagination (as he talks on the phone to Lureen) and not meant to show what actually happened, because it's the younger, mustache-less version of Jack who's getting killed. *sniff* That was claimed in early BBM discussions and I never heard it concluded upon with certainty - noone had the film back then and it fortunately goes past so fast in the cinema.
So now, that's been the first thing I used the DVD slow-mo function on; - and the theory's been disproved. Jack has both his mustache and the little paunch in that disturbing scene. It doesn't have a flashback/dream quality at all. So no hint that this isn't what actually happened to him..... I rather think, from various interviews I've seen and read, that the filmmakers are of the opinion that it *is* what happened to him. :(
mechtild at 2006-05-05 12:55 (UTC) (Link)
I think the filmmakers made a lot of decisions about how they would interpret places left ambiguous in the book and that was one of them. When others ask me what I think happened to Jack I usually say that. In the book it's left vague, as if it might just as easily be that Ennis has leapt to conclusions and imagined for Jack the ending he had feared for himself, which would also reinforce that he had been right to worry so, never acquiescing to coming out to be with Jack. But the filmmakers handled that scene as if it actually happened and that Ennis truly is leaping to the right conclusion.

Thanks for checking the scene on DVD. Now I don't have to!
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