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NF-Lee's Gildor and Frodo

The End of All Things Pt. 5 ~ 'I’m glad to be with you, Samwise Gamgee'....

Posted on 2006.03.20 at 14:52

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Estë   (or ST for short)
este_tangletoes at 2006-03-25 22:30 (UTC) (Link)
'scuse my ignorance but where does the word mons come from? I can guess what it means, of course, but the origin interests me.


Mechtild
mechtild at 2006-03-25 22:38 (UTC) (Link)
"Mons" is part of the fuller term, "mons veneris" ("a mounded eminence of fatty tissue upon the pubic symphysis o fthe human female").

In English, "mount of Venus." A lovely, noble, erotic term, I think, and much lovelier and more evocative than, say, "pubic mound" or, "pudendum." Ish.
Estë   (or ST for short)
este_tangletoes at 2006-03-25 22:51 (UTC) (Link)
Thank you - I've often heard it referred to as "mount of Venus." a beautiful term indeed.
Mechtild
mechtild at 2006-03-25 22:54 (UTC) (Link)
Este, there you go with that other ravishing icon. What is it? Can you send me the fuller image? I am dying to see it.
Estë   (or ST for short)
este_tangletoes at 2006-03-26 09:58 (UTC) (Link)
I'll send a copy to you via ye olde e-maile :D
Mechtild
mechtild at 2006-03-26 12:53 (UTC) (Link)
Thanks! *rubs hands in anticipation*
Mechtild
mechtild at 2006-03-25 22:52 (UTC) (Link)
There is an opera by Wagner called "Tannhauser," in which a handsome and high-idealed noble is lured to the Venusberg (Mountain of Venus), where the goddess of love presides over sirens and nymphs and non-stop revels. (The music for women's voices for this section is simply ravishing.)

Nothting too subtle here -- the Landgrave being drawn and nearly made captive to the Mount of Venus.

It goes beyond the "mount," too, according to this bit from the opera's synopsis:

Near this castle rises the Venusberg. According to tradition the interior of this mountain was inhabited by Holda, the Goddess of Spring, who, however, in time became identified with the Goddess of Love. Her court was filled with nymphs and sirens, and it was her greatest joy to entice into the mountain the knights of the Wartburg and hold them captive to her beauty.

Among those whom she has thus lured into the rosy recesses of the Venusberg is Tannhäuser.

In spite of her beauty, however, he is weary of her charms and longs for a glimpse of the world.
He seems to have heard the tolling of bells and other earthly sounds, and these stimulate his yearning to be set free from the magic charms of the goddess.

I put my favourite bits in italics. "Rosy recesses," indeed! Poor Tannhauser sounds as though he's been sunk in them non-stop.

I wonder if there are some Tannhauser illustrations I could make into a Frodo manip.....?
Estë   (or ST for short)
este_tangletoes at 2006-03-26 10:08 (UTC) (Link)
Thank you that was interesting and something I did not know. (Estë makes a mental note to pay more attention when watching opera.) I quite like opera especially Mozart’s wonderful pieces.

I have not yet had the opera-tunity to see "Tannhauser" but now that you have explained some of the erotic subtleties I'll definitely keep an eye open for it. I wonder is there is a film version?

You know, I have missed/been oblivious to so much. Thank goodness it's never to late to learn. I mean that in the most sincere way. I have so much to learn.
Mechtild
mechtild at 2006-03-26 12:57 (UTC) (Link)
Well, I certainly wouldn't know anything about Wagner, Tannhauser or opera if a friend hadn't made my a fan, almost by force when I was 20 or 21. Years later when I moved to NYC for ten years, I managed to see a lot of opera buying cheap standing room tickets. Lincoln Center, where the New York City Opera and the Metropolitan Opera houses are located, was only a couple of blocks from where I lived. I became a big fan and watched opera when it was on TV and listened to records of it all the time, too. I checked libretti out from the arts library to look at while I listened.

That was so long ago it was before videos or DVD's, when people just could see things in person or on TV.
Mechtild
mechtild at 2006-03-26 13:00 (UTC) (Link)
P.S. I love the operas of Mozart, too. But to actually watch them, I still have loved none better than Bergman's film version of "The Magic Flute". It is one of my favourite films. And the Prince Tamino was perhaps a forerunner for me of film Frodo. So brave! So brimming over with honour and heart-felt emotion! And so cute, dark-haired and pale-skinned! *wink*
(Anonymous) at 2006-03-26 17:10 (UTC) (Link)
Aha, there are you two talking about Tannhäuser! Mechtild, your comment in the Harem had searching me for said conversation and I discovered the *most* heart-breaking screencaps through it. Thank you for all your work - Frolijah is a wonder, and you make it all the more visible.
Estë and Mechtild, you might be interested in this website: http://www.neuschwanstein.de/english/castle/legends/tannhaeuser.htm. It gives a good description of the ancient legend of Tannhäuser, without the changes Wagner made for his opera (it is one of his earlier works and full of wonderful arias). Tannhäuser was the second Wagner opera I got to know; IIRC, I was just 15 when I heard (and saw) "Parsifal" for the first time. I couldn't understand it back then, but I was completely overwhelmed and immediately obsessed with this fiery music. And this hasn't changed until today.
There are some German Tannhäuser TV productions, Estë Of The Ravishing Avatars, but I'm not sure whether they are available on DVD or video. (I could try and find out for you, if you like)

~ The Not So Anonymous Whiteling (this time) ;-)
Mechtild
mechtild at 2006-03-26 19:03 (UTC) (Link)
Oh! The music to Parsifal TEARS ME UP!!! I just love Kundry's arias. Talk about piling on the angst!!!

Thanks so much for that link about the Neuschwanstein website, Whiteling! It didn't seem to copy properly, though, so I'm going to repeat it here:

http://www.neuschwanstein.de/english/castle/legends/tannhaeuser.htm

I love how Tannhauser in the illustration has his eyes glued on the Venusberg.:)

And your remark about "discovering" the screencaps alerted me to the fact that I had never put an "ad" in the Harem about them. I try to do that, for the Frodo fans not on LJ. I'll go do it at once!
Estë   (or ST for short)
este_tangletoes at 2006-03-28 08:49 (UTC) (Link)

Tannhäuser yay!

Thank you for the link Whiteling!

I would be most grateful if you could let me know if ‘Tannhäuser’ is available on DVD or video. *hugs*
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