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NF-Lee's Gildor and Frodo

FotR screencaps: Leaving the Shire, and, "Get off the Road"....

Posted on 2005.12.17 at 23:57


taerie at 2005-12-18 16:20 (UTC) (Link)
Yay more screencaps to get worked up over! (And I have unlimited capacity for silent squeeing.) Bitable chin... yes.. never thought of that.. but it IS.. he is altogether bitable.. although maybe not so hard as Gollum did it.

>>of course. If the Ring had this sort of effect, how had Bilbo been able to not know, treating it as blithely as he did for all those decades? He didn't know, consciously, that it was having any sort of effect on him. If when Bilbo put on the Ring each time he had an experience like film Frodo had in Bree, he certainly would notice!<<

(Sorry, I haven't figured out the quote deal yet)

I think it could be argued that Bilbo was never so near Nazgul as Frodo was. It seemed throughout the movie that the presence of them made the ring act out on him. Also it had not awakened until fairly recently. The time glitches in the movie give me more trouble imagination-wise. I can't seem to make all the years and distances traveled from here to there and the like make any sense in my brain. Best to not think about it. Middle Earth is magic.

mechtild at 2005-12-18 18:55 (UTC) (Link)
That's true that Bilbo had not been near a Nazgul, which Frodo had. Yet Gandalf told Frodo in the film's opening that the Ring had awoken; that it "wanted to be found" in order to return to its Master. I though Gandalf meant, that was why it abandoned Gollum in the first place (even though a power for good made Bilbo be the one to find it, once lost)!

When Bilbo found the Ring it was already "awake", and there he was under the Misty Mountains, with a Ring-crazed ex-hobbit, a hoard of orcs. Shortly, he'd wear the Ring to elude wicked small-scale enchanted spiders (small-scale compared to Ungoliant and Shelob) -- right in the Wood still overshadowed by Sauron's Mirkwood lair, Dol Guldur. Yet Bilbo didn't feel anything unusual, psychologically (although it heightened Bilbo's senses, as it would Sam's in Mordor). Of course, the reason for this was that when Tolkien wrote The Hobbit he hadn't yet envisioned what the Ring would become in LotR.

Still, it's hard for me to reconcile the way Bilbo treats it for 60 years or so of possession, in the opening of LotR, having worn it now and then -- even while it was "awake." Even for Frodo, in the book it takes a good while to manifest its power over him or for him to truly have an appreciation of what it can do to him. At Bree, Frodo it "falls" onto his finger and Frodo disappears but feels no special effects other than his invisibility. He lets Tom Bombadil hold it and, although shocked when Tom puts it on ("will Tom keep it????"), he doesn't seem to lapse into any sort of eye-rolling fit. In the Barrow, he wants to put it on badly, deseperate to escape but he "knows" it would be folly to put it on; he can sense that an enemy will wants him to do so. (At Weathertop, well we know all about that.)

And, in the book, Tolkien has given an interval of 17 years for Sauron's and the Ring's power to build, and for Sauron to learn of its recovery by a hobbit. And STILL, Frodo can see it and handle it and put it into the keeping of others with little psychological response to it. He feels the call when the Nazgul is near, but he does not yet associate it with wearing the Ring, as if the Ring were an antenna for a TV, or a homing device of which Frodo was unaware.

In the film, though, we see Bilbo (and no, we don't know if Bilbo has ever actually worn the Ring before he puts it on at the party, anyway; we only see that he covets it). Bilbo puts it on to disappear at the party, and it is clear from his demeanor when he pulls it off inside the door of Bag End, he has suffered no ill effects in terms of what he might have experienced wearing it. In the films, there are no 17 years for the Ring's power to build and Sauron's knowledge to become certain. The films make it appear that Frodo and Sam leave the Shire at the end of the following summer (the sweetcorn is still unharvested), after the September birthday party. Yet, less than a year after Bilbo wore it, and before Frodo is barely out of the Shire, Frodo is experiencing the Ring's call with tremendous intensity when the Nazgul stops beside him. In the books, it made a lot more sense for Frodo to experience wearing the Ring more intensely, yet, even though the book prepares for it better, the book holds back.

But, do I care? -- deeply? No. The film is another animal from the book. I accept the dramatic logic of massively intensifying the Ring's felt effect at once. I just thought it made Bilbo's lack of effect ... odd. Sam's reaction in CU they made very consistent with their on-going presentation of the Ring, so I didn't mind that change a bit, within the context of the film.

But, hey. This is supposed to be about lovely screencaps. Bring on the dancing Frodos! -- with the bitable chins!
taerie at 2005-12-18 21:08 (UTC) (Link)

the reason for this was that when Tolkien wrote The Hobbit he hadn't yet envisioned what the Ring would become in LotR.

That's probably why I felt so blindsided. I remember arguing with my then-boyfriend about it. "WHAT? No way is that ring evil" I got the same feeling after seeing the first Star Wars and then much later seeing the movies that came after. "Huh? but..?" It was pretty evident that much of what came after in Star Wars was added on cause a big story had to be told.
It kind of is good in a way. If the author knows it is coming then sometimes he inadvertently gives it away.. or at least gets you suspicious. This way you are as surprised as the hobbits are.. AND the author!

It is also funny when you are reading The Hobbit how often you get annoyed with Gandalf. (Where the HECK is the stupid WIZARD?? What could be so bloody important that he keeps disappearing like that?) Then after reading the rest of the books.. (Why did he BOTHER screwing around with the Dwarves when he was busy doing so many more important things?) Well, at least I did. :-)
I imagined that how they meant for all that sudden ring effect to be taken was that it didn't go 'click-sprong!' and wake up all of a sudden but by whatever awareness it possessed being sort of intermittently powerful.. slowly consuming the wearer and insinuating itself in it's mind but awakening with a vengeance when it senses danger or a move it can make. With The Nazgul being a trigger for that. The experience of having the ring on was probably supposed to be different for Bilbo.. (Obviously from his behaviour.) but it would have changed drastically if he had kept it and put it on when the Black Riders showed up. At least, that is what I thought was the rationale for how it was in the movie. I have been known to be not only wrong but totally missing the boat. LOL! (Just as long as I make the boat sailing for Bag End West.)

Of course, the book situation was quite different and made much better sense really.. but such is the nature of books and movies.

I always thought it was really unfair that Bilbo used up all the Baggins luck at getting away relatively unscathed and Frodo gets caught holding the bag. (Bilbo would agree.. and Frodo probably wouldn't.. bless his sweet little loving heart.)

Hey! Dancing Frodos??? Where? Where? *Looks around like Pippin getting hit by apples from the sky.*

mechtild at 2005-12-18 21:45 (UTC) (Link)
Your argument sounds really solid. You are right: had Bilbo kept the Ring and been the one who went on the Quest instead of Frodo, he would have felt the power of the Ring in a way he never had before, whether increasing in power almost imperceptibly the way it does in the book, or, "Wham, Bam, Thank you, Ma'am," like in the films.

Yes, Gandalf did do a lot of disadvantageous disappearing in The Hobbit. I had forgotten.

Hey! Dancing Frodos??? Where? Where? *Looks around like Pippin getting hit by apples from the sky.*

I guess I was thinking of the NC-17 PWP, "Pole-Dancing Frodo" (or whatever it was called *cackles libidinously*) That was one of the more pornish fics I've ever had occasion to read. It did make me laugh at us swooners, though, too. It had its own brand of wit along with the soft-core.

We really are a sorry lot, drooling over our Main Hobbit and his extreme charms. But I love it.
taerie at 2005-12-18 22:18 (UTC) (Link)
I once was at a Chippendale's men appearance at a shopping mall in San Diego. I keep thinking of that image when I go onto The Harem. It cracks me up because I keep seeing Frodo strutting about with the little Chippendale's collar on in front of a lot of really libidinous and enthusiastic non-hobbit females. eeee! (Actually, they would have to push him out.. and that's funny too.)
mechtild at 2005-12-19 07:25 (UTC) (Link)
It cracks me up because I keep seeing Frodo strutting about with the little Chippendale's collar on in front of a lot of really libidinous and enthusiastic non-hobbit females. eeee! (Actually, they would have to push him out..

Yes, Taerie, they would have to push the actual Frodo out. I should say right away that the Frodo portrayed in Pole-Dancing Frodo was not remotely like Frodo, book or film, though he looked just like film Frodo. The story was hot enough, but it was a more a teasing look at our own salivating fantasies than about any sort of Frodo Baggins. It was a story written for fun.

Chippendales guys appeared at your city's shopping mall???? I find that quite eye-opening. I can't picture them doing a stint at the shopping mall in Duluth!
diem_kieu94 at 2012-11-20 04:17 (UTC) (Link)


Metchild... When you refer to the story about the pole-dancing Frodo, are you referring to Josan's "Pole story"? I just read it and I must admit that it left me squealing! Just curious...
mechtild at 2012-11-20 16:31 (UTC) (Link)

Re: *Ahem...*

Yes, that was the story I was referring to. (Or I think it is; it's been years and years since I read it. Frodo is a male stripper doing a pole dance before an audience of squealing fans.)

Edited at 2012-11-20 04:32 pm (UTC)
diem_kieu94 at 2012-11-22 16:40 (UTC) (Link)

Re: *Ahem...*

Yep! Sounds like we're on the same page (or... Errr.... Stage?)!

Happy Thanksgiving by the way! :)
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