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NF-Lee's Gildor and Frodo

The FotR Extras: A Sam/Frodo fanfic resource....

Posted on 2005.11.26 at 15:09

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Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-11-27 20:56 (UTC) (Link)
Just adding on to Pearl's love for the BBC adaptation. I really didn't like the modernization of the Frodo-Sam relationship. I much prefer the Bill Nighy version. I always got the idea that Sean wanted Sam to be more "important" to the story. I think Bill just wanted Sam to be important to Frodo, and he succeeded wonderfully.

Mariole, if you browse my response to Maeglian you'll see I am in agreement with you about the "updating." I agree that Sean clearly wanted to make Sam a bigger deal, but, I think it was Flourish who once pointed out that whatever Sean Astin wanted, it was not going to happen if it didn't coincide with what Peter Jackson wanted. I think Sam probably came out just the way Jackson wanted it. He "modernized" Tolkien's mercy themes completely, why not Tolkien's theme of master/servant that runs throughout the story?

P.S. *swoon* for Bill Nighy's Sam!!!!

P.P.S. Just out of curiousity, when I am reading "Devoted," should I be thinking more Bill Nighy than Sean A.? He seems to look a lot like Sean A. so I have been imagining him as if he were played by teenaged Sean Astin? Should I have been thinking Bill all this time? Or should I be thinking of some other sort of Sam "look" entirely?
Mariole
mariole at 2005-11-27 21:12 (UTC) (Link)
My Devoted Sam is book Sam: short, brown (tan) skin, dark curly hair, brown eyes. I just can't write Sean Astin's Sam-- he was a continuing hurdle for me, though I'm happy other people didn't have this problem. I heard the BBC version long after I wrote Devoted, but I have no clue what Bill Nighy of that time looked like, but I doubt I would have patterned Sam after him anyway. Tolkien gave me enough clues; I'm going with what he said!

He "modernized" Tolkien's mercy themes completely, why not Tolkien's theme of master/servant that runs throughout the story?

Because it completely changes the story? (Never mind, we've discussed this before, I know!) Sorry, I'll dash back to book land where I belong! :)
Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-11-27 22:24 (UTC) (Link)
My Devoted Sam is book Sam: short, brown (tan) skin, dark curly hair, brown eyes.

Ah, I'm glad I asked. Because your Devoted Frodo closely resembles film-Frodo in his physical description (not in his character), I was wondering if Devoted Sam also resembled film-Sam in appearance, however different he was in character.

Ah, Bill Nighy. When I listen to his Sam, I know very well he looks nothing like a hobbit, but I forget it as soon as I start to lose myself in the story. He becomes "my" Sam. In fact, he becomes more than "my Sam". I confess his performance is so good, and so illuminating of Tolkien's Sam, that he made me see that I had been selling Sam short in all my years of reading. I had ... "under-imagined" him, I think.

One day I should write Bill Nighy a letter of appreciation, simply as a grateful fan of Tolkien.

Because it completely changes the story?

You knew I was being sarcastic, right?
Mariole
mariole at 2005-11-27 22:40 (UTC) (Link)
Indeed! I shall never forget our merciless savaging of PJ's de-mercy-fying of the characters. :)

Guilty, guilty, guilty about fanfic Frodo resembling Frolijah. But I mean, c'mon. Look at what you posted there. I mean, COME ON! *licks the monitor*

My letter:

Dear Bill,

Thank you so much for your portrayal of Sam. Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you mwhah! big kiss,

Love,
Mariole
Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-11-28 00:32 (UTC) (Link)
Ha! Love your letter to Bill Nighy. And, do you know what, I think he would love it, too.

And, hey, Frodo in my story closely resembles film-Frodo, too, although I don't ever give an explicit description of him. The story's readers have got my number, you can bet. One or two references to "dark hair" and "pale skin" and they know what image is in the author's mind.

((((Mariole))))
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