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NF-Lee's Gildor and Frodo

The FotR Extras: A Sam/Frodo fanfic resource....

Posted on 2005.11.26 at 15:09

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Maeglian
maeglian at 2005-11-27 09:53 (UTC) (Link)
Thank you for posting the caps. The second series - what is there to say? Right there in front of our eyes is the reason for my continued Haremite status. :-)

As for the hugging sequence, I remember wondering whether that was in character or not when I watched it - it just seemed so overly and utterly exuberant that it could have been "just coming out of character at the end of a successful take".

Generally, both with the snippets that were in the film and the various party ones that got the cut but which you've capped - I get the feeling that Frodo was clearly set apart from the first - there always seems to be a space around him and his beauty even in the middle of the hobbit crowds - hinting at uniqueness, or the loneliness inherent in being special and "chosen"?

Only in the scenes with Sam (and possibly the "silly dancing" - the funky chicken and the reel) does this impression get dispelled. I still do wonder at the way Frodo and Sam are presented as bosom buddies there from the start, but I have no difficulty with it - especially since in later scenes the class distinction and difference in education and station etc. is hinted at subtly in many ways.

(And I *do* notice the expression on the faces of the bystanders in the hugging scene - and particularly Rosie's *lipstick*!)
Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-11-27 20:49 (UTC) (Link)
As for the hugging sequence, I remember wondering whether that was in character or not when I watched it - it just seemed so overly and utterly exuberant that it could have been "just coming out of character at the end of a successful take".

This is probably so. The leap into Sam's arms is waaaaay over the top familiar, even for the film version. As you said, in the film they are presented as bosom buddies. You did seem to see more nuances of class distinction kept between them in the films than I did. In the film presentation, I did not see Frodo shown as the book's kind but somewhat distant master who was surprised repeatedly by revelations about Sam -- of things Sam knew and the sort of person Sam was.

Clearly, the film presents these two as affectionate, life-long buddies rather than as master and servant. The audience knows that Sam happens to work for Frodo, but the sense of their roles as "master" and "servant" is merely nodded to, I think. A lot of fanfiction picked that up and ran with it.

I am going to be taking the "hug" sequence of caps down from this post, Maeglian, but only to post a fuller capping of the scene in a separate post. Your comment made me re-watch the scene, which made me decide to cap it more fully, blurriness and all. I really do love the sheer exuberance of the characters (or actors) in that sequence.

Generally, (...) I get the feeling that Frodo was clearly set apart from the first - there always seems to be a space around him and his beauty even in the middle of the hobbit crowds - hinting at uniqueness, or the loneliness inherent in being special and "chosen"?

You know, Maeglian, it wasn't until I actually capped the Party scene that I saw how that was true. Your eye is much better than mine. In the scene for which I provided many lovely caps, when Frodo is listening to Bilbo's speech, for instance, I never was able to pick Frodo out from the rest in the crowd shots. But, with the frames slowed down, it was easy to see that unlike anyone else assembled there to hear what Bilbo had to say, Frodo is seated alone. He doesn't look at all unhappy about it, but he is the only hobbit not seated with at least one other person. Earlier, the Frodo and Sam sequence they chose to keep for the theatrical version was of Frodo encouraging Sam to ask Rosie for a dance. They talk at the table briefly, then Frodo pushes Sam off into Rosie's arms, followed by a happy reaction shot of Frodo complete with the bubbly giggle.

I thought this made a bookend with the final film's shot of Frodo reacting to Sam and Rosie being married. In both scenes (FotR and RotK), Frodo has been active in securing Sam's happiness. In the party scene, Frodo's reaction shot is one of pure, happy delight at having acted to promote Sam's success with the lass he is sweet on. But, in RotK, in the reaction shot at the wedding, Frodo's happiness seems tinged with a sense of regret. Most fans have seen that as a personal regret -- "I am happy for you, my friend, but the sight of your happiness is a reminder to me of what I cannot and never will have myself." In both, Frodo is shown left alone -- albeit by his own design. But what a difference how he feels about it makes, comparing the party scene and to the wedding.

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