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NF-Campin's weeper from 'Descent'

No EE screening of TTT for Mechtild....

Posted on 2011.06.21 at 13:54


mechtild at 2011-06-22 15:14 (UTC) (Link)
Osgiliath - I still am wowed by the visual of the Fell Beast suspended in the air before Frodo on the wall, although it is Absolutly Senseless, cringe at Sam's U.N. speech, roll my eyes at the holding of Sam at knifepoint after the tumble down the stairs, and am dumbfounded, flabbergasted every time poor Faramir has to give his "Now we understand one another, Frodo Baggins" speech (HUNH????). (What could poor David Wenham, who had to prepare so many senseless moments, have made of that? He did his best, poor lamb.) I am assuming you are speaking of some or all of that. Since you loved the Faramir/Boromir flashback, I know you aren't speaking of *that* Osgiliath. *g*

I mentioned the opening, but didn't get specific. Yes, the first zoom over -- and into!! - the snow-covered Misty Mountains is amazing, and the fall into the lake is, as you say, jaw-dropping, especially with the scoring Shore did there: totally brilliant choral stuff.

Yes, I love and adore the sequence of the vision of Arwen's future. Too evocative and wonderful to articulate. A masterpiece in itself.

And, yes, I, too, love the return of Aragorn from his cliff death (though I actually like his dream sequence there) - Gimli, the exchange with Legolas (brilliant) and Eowyn's reaction. But I love Miranda Otto, too, in the role. I love every stinking minute she's on screen. There was a match made in film heaven, her and Eowyn. Whatever happened to her career, post LOTR?

Which reminds me, another SUPER addition to TTT, in my book, is the stable scene when Aragorn is quieting Brego, Eowyn looking on. That is a perfect scene. Short, modest, but it accomplishes so much. At the very least it prepares for Brego's smooches later on. ;)

pearlette at 2011-06-22 16:03 (UTC) (Link)
Oh yes, I meant that Osgiliath. ;) No criticisms of the wonderful Boromir/Faramir flashback.

"Now we understand one another, Frodo Baggins" speech (HUNH????).

Oh, I know. 'Yeah, I've just seen you nearly hand the Ring over to one of Sauron's chief henchman, Frodo Baggins! That's why I trust you! Off you go to Mordor, little man!'


Oh, Book Frodo would never have done that. Gaaaaaaah. Still makes me groan, every single time. When I saw the TTT last year at the Royal Albert Hall, with the orchestra, when it came to that point, Elenya and I just looked at each other and rolled our eyes, and she mouthed, 'WHY?????' :D

But my non-LotR friends never seemed bothered by these things! They just accepted whatever the film narrative told them. But even if you don't know the book, it still doesn't make any sense! :D

Visually, the Fell Beast hovering above Frodo is amazing, of course. As one TORC poster described it, it was like 'a dream from hell.'

My sister, after she saw FotR, observed that the film reminded her of a Pre-Raphaelite painting. :)

The book is rather Pre-Raphaelite, in a way! :) I have come to regard Tolkien as the last of the great Victorian writers. (He was a Victorian, too: he was born while she was still on the throne.) Unlike Dickens and Eliot, he didn't choose to write about Real Life issues. Like them, he was very big on Description. :D But more economical than them, actually. :) Dickens can take two pages to describe a blinkin' fireplace. :p Well, it feels like it, anyway ... ;) Tolkien is never that bad! I love his descriptive writing: it's very precise and you get such a vivid picture of where you are actually are, in Middle-earth.

pearlette at 2011-06-22 16:05 (UTC) (Link)
Oh, and yes to Aragorn as Horse Whisperer, with Eowyn looking on. Perfect characterisation of him. *nods*
mechtild at 2011-06-22 16:27 (UTC) (Link)
[sorry to have so many edits of this! - keen to answer befoe I have to leave the house - hurrying too much!]

"Now we understand one another, Frodo Baggins" speech (HUNH????).

Oh, I know. 'Yeah, I've just seen you nearly hand the Ring over to one of Sauron's chief henchman, Frodo Baggins! That's why I trust you! Off you go to Mordor, little man!'

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! Or maybe Faramir's subtext was, 'Whew. You are one crazy mo-fo'. I think we need to get you away, far away. Rivendell, Mordor, Far Harad, wherever, and right now.'

As for Tolkien as a writer, I hadn't thought of him as Victorian, especially. Maybe I'm influenced by an essay on his work I read a few months ago, can't remember what or by whom, it was in a volume of "Tolkien Studies", explaining what a twentieth century writer he was, but writing in fantasy rather than in real life settings. I think your idea makes more sense, or at least seeing him as someone who is transitional, shaped in the late Victorian era and its artistic and spiritual movements that produced so many literary converts after that momentous and aweful, brutal confrontation with modernism, the first world war.

Edited at 2011-06-22 04:29 pm (UTC)
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