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smile - Golden cart Frodo

MEFA nominations final: jan-u-wine a nominee

Posted on 2010.06.16 at 22:56

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jan_u_wine
jan_u_wine at 2010-07-05 15:53 (UTC) (Link)
well, I am glad that you were able to enjoy the storm as an observer and NOT a participant, lol! Here in CA it would be a rarity indeed to have a storm that made the sky as black as you describe. It's mostly just grey and kittenish when it rains, though where I live, the wind may howl horribly.

I wish that I understood the phenomenom we are talking about more clearly. But understanding it, I think, wouldn't make it more likely that I could replicate it and that is what I should most like to do. It was just something wonderful that happened, and I'll certainly cherish the memory. It carried me, as a person and a writer, from one place to another, that's for sure. And I don't really want to look at it too very closely, I just want to....let it be. I think that *be-ing*, letting the mind work naturally without high-flown disciplines, is (for me) the ticket to getting back to the zone. Will I be hand-in-hand with my elusive Muse, then? I think not. Part of me is very, very sad at that, and part of me is excited, too.

Antoine de Saint-Exupéry wrote: "On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." ("We only really see with the heart. The most important things can't be seen with the eyes.")

I'm not sure that all artists are mad. But I will say that most people who have an artistic bent are, because of that *bent*, out of step with the median of the world. Sanity is a very democratic process, consisting of what the majority think it is. (for example, a hundred years ago, people who were homosexual were judged insane, at least in some parts of the world). If we lived in a world where such things as soulbonding or having a community living inside your head were the norm, then what MPD people call "singles" would be judged insane.

What about war? And soldiers? To me, it's insane to train people to kill others and then expect them to come home and just be sweet, loving members of society again, proceeding as if the horrors they have seen and participated in had never happened. Now, THAT IS INSANE!

I should say: there are no sane people in this world. If there were, they would be driven insane instantly by the cruelties which happen daily around them. It's a matter of degree....most all of us have a level of functionality and sanity that is acceptable and recognized by our peers.
antane at 2010-07-05 19:00 (UTC) (Link)
Well, it wasn't *black* but it was quite dark as it gets just before it rains - I love dark clouds - then as it rains all it is is grey.

I love your quote from Antoine de Saint-Exupéry - how very true! I may have to steal that for my other blog of inspirational sayings. :)

I don't mean artists are truly, clinically insane, but different from others in the way they view things which makes them seem a little nuts. I am happily cracked myself. :) I know just what other writers mean when they say all they can do if just run after their characters and write down what they do, as though they have no control over that themselves. In a way, they don't. That's when it's the most fun - not knowing ahead of time what will happen and being along on a journey yourself side by side with those you write about. I think you would agree!

I completely support our troops and all those fighting on the side of freedom, especially knowing how many terrible, demonic things they are confronted with and have to somehow deal with. I agree it is nuts to think one would be unaffected by that and nuts that PTSD has been so unrecognized until recently that some of those that may have had it in the past were executed for cowardice when it could have been nothing of the kind. We have no idea what it's like. It is no wonder that some are shattered, and hopefully learn to rebuild. It's too bad the Undying Lands are cut off to mortals for some could certainly benefit from it! I read an interesting article recently about one soldier who has a dog who is trained to recognize PTSD symptoms and knows just when her master is about to have a flashback or other disruptive episode and she knows just how to comfort him. I pray for all our troops and all the sacrifices they and their families are making. I read another article about a woman who woke up to find her husband was choking her during an episode and she is staying with him - now that's love!! There are too many who can't or won't handle that, but she is, which is a wonderful testimonial to true love.

Namarie, God bless, Antane :)
jan_u_wine
jan_u_wine at 2010-07-10 14:18 (UTC) (Link)
I'm sorry it's taken me so long to reply, it's been a very stressful week....

I also love the dark clouds which morph into the gentle silver-grey, soft-kitteny ones.

I love "The Little Prince". It's one of those "children's books" which is only for children in a very oblique sort of a way. Lots of great quotes in that book, lots of great thoughts. The movie is also good, I think. Very minimalist.

I actually think that a great many artists have (at the least)mental issues. But that is part, also, of what 'gives' them their art. They break free of the 'normal' laws of existence. I don't mean to imply that all artists are commit-able. No more so than ordinary folk, probably. But a known artists sanity (or lack thereof) is on display in ways that the rest of the world's is not. And it is quite true that we have no idea what another person's reality is like. I have a relative who is bi-polar and sometimes is simply just felled by the demons that exist inside. People who do not suffer from the malady say 'get over it', 'pull yourself up', 'stop being lazy'. They can't conceive what it's like (nor can I), never having visited that particular hell. We all have them, though (our own hells), so it's good to look with sympathy (if we can have no empathy) on other people.

Re our troops (or any troops)...I have a problem with people being sent to war, people killing other people, although I sympathize with the horrors that soldiers go through and come home with. On the one hand, I view military actions as laughable, the grown-up doings of bratty children who must make physical their disagreements. On the other hand, I see it as the most immoral thing ever, a heinous thumbing-of-the-nose at God. I believe that LOTR covered nicely my feelings about war by using a (relatively) weak non-combatant as its "hero". Of course, the interesting thing is that Tolkien also had the fighting troops there, the idea being that *right* could not and did not succeed without help from *might* (and the inclusion of Gollum in the equation can also be seen as 'might' of a sort). What does this mixed message mean? That Tolkien would have liked to have seen a world where the decisions were not dependent upon power, but that he knew, realistically, that it would never exist? Or was he saying, "you can have *this*, have a world where *right* makes the decisions, indepedent of *might*, if only you try"? The road to an answer begins with the posing of a QUESTion

In any case, I'm not sure how supportive I can say I am of any person who kills another, either because they feel their cause is 'just', or simply because it's their duty. (or for any number of reasons in between) They must make their peace with God for their actions, as must I. But I am sympathetic to any person suffering emotional distress. We are all soldiers in a war, really. Or players on a stage, whichever you prefer. May we acquit ourselves well.
antane at 2010-07-11 23:43 (UTC) (Link)
Yes, we must be sympathetic for the crosses others must bear, some of them so terrible. "There but for the grace of God go I" as St. Philip Neri said and which Frodo understands instinctively about himself and Gollum. This is such a great tale that so much can be drawn from.

I've heard of "The Little Prince" of course but have not read or seen it.

It would be nice if everyone could follow Luke's advice to his father, "Let go of your hate" or Frodo's "There must be no killing" but alas, that is not always possible in this fallen world where we have an Enemy out to destroy us with his terrible malice and has so many slaves that he whips up into a frenzy against those who would oppose him. Theoden wonders what can be done against such reckless hate and then does what must be done - oppose it and struggle to defeat it. What a world it would be if we could find our way to true peace, but at times war is necessary, tragic as it is to all of us.

May we indeed acquit ourselves well for we are all on a battlefield that we cannot leave until death takes us from it and the war is for our souls which is another one of the great lessons of the Red Book. Hopefully it won't be as intense as it was for Frodo on Amon Hen, but we are in the same battle he was continually engaged in. It was that battle that was the important one, not the ones out in the physical field, which Aragorn is saying when Eomer wonders why he doesn't go into Minas Tirith as conquering king and Aragorn says the final battle hadn't been won yet. So Frodo is a non-combatant in a physical fight but very much one in the spiritual one as we all must be and that's what I get myself from him as one of the central heroes. We should all pray we 'escape' as Boromir did and die in a state of grace as he did.

Namarie, God bless, Antane :)
jan_u_wine
jan_u_wine at 2010-07-12 13:08 (UTC) (Link)
Dear Antane.....really, my opinion in regards to war doesn't matter to any save myself. We all must look at the world we live in and come to our conclusions, and follow our moral roads, being responsible for our choices, in the end before God. My choice and belief is mine, evolved after much heart-searching. I respect your choice, too, as well as the jourey that you made to make it.

There is a huge and practical differece between what occurs in our minds and what happens in the real world. The words we speak, the things we say (for example, "there must be no killing" or "I love you") are easy for our tongues to form. The difficult part lies in proving the truth of them by our actions. Inevitably, it seems, that test comes. For myself, I hope to be worthy of my personal beliefs. I hope to 'pass the test' and willingly give up whatever is required in order to hold to what I perceive as right.
antane at 2010-07-13 01:53 (UTC) (Link)
Love that last paragraph for indeed words must be more than words at times for them to have the best effect. They can be devastating or healing or the former followed by the latter. Frodo and Sam never told each other "I love you" but proved it over and over by their actions and Frodo proved that he loved all of Middle-earth. The tragedy of Smeagol-Gollum on the Stairs under Sam's withering words is a heartbreak for S-G was someone who was so fragily and tentatively coming back to the light yet had not the strength of will to withstand the hatred and anger of Sam. Smeagol died right then and there. I hope I will be worthy also and pass my own tests in the future for I know I have failed quite a number of them already, yet we must always pick ourselves up and enter into battle once more.

Namarie, God bless, Antane :)
jan_u_wine
jan_u_wine at 2010-07-14 12:54 (UTC) (Link)
Yes, I should think that Frodo and Sam had no need of saying "I love you" (of course, Sam did say it once, although Frodo couldn't hear). But their actions were demonstrative of love; in Frodo's case, surely agape-style love.

Really, do you think that Sam's behavior towards Gollum killed Smeagol, that he might otherwise have been saved? That's interesting.

I think that the grand thing about making mistakes is that we can choose to learn from them and that, in the Christian belief system, God forgives these errors as long as they are not wilful. Not that every time I make a mistake I jump up and down for joy, or anything. But I am glad to have learned something new, to be refined and disciplined and brought nearer to what i should be, with a hope to being strong enough to take the proper path the next time.

well, i must run. take care

jan
antane at 2010-07-14 22:40 (UTC) (Link)
That's why I wasn't counting Sam's I love you. :)

But yes, he did have a lot to do with Smeagol's death (though nothing with Gollum's) but not everything. It was really Smeagol who made the final decision, or had it made for him, since even though he had recovered from the terrible blow at the Forbidden Pool when he thought himself betrayed, he chose not to continue his journey toward the light anymore after the Stairs. Tolkien has some interesting comments about this in one of his letters that I read recently that if Smeagol had recovered from Sam's words and chosen to continue in his love for Frodo which would have strengthened daily, it still would not have been enough to overcome the Ring. Tolkien speculated however that it may have been enough to have Smeagol voluntarily sacrifice himself by leaping into the Fire with the Ring to save Frodo. In the real story, in the end it was Smeagol's choice or nonchoice (like Frodo at the Fire claiming the Ring was a nonchoice) that determined his death and the going forward to betrayal to Shelob. But think of the great good that came out of that betrayal - even though Sam had to endure the torment of his beloved's apparent death, there was no other way he would taken the Ring himself which enabled him to have a window into the agony of both his master and Smeagol which enabled his pity for Gollum at the precise moment it was needed which enabled Frodo's salvation at the Fire and saved all of Middle-earth. If the pity of Bilbo ruled the fate of many, it was Sam's pity that ruled the fate of all. I love all this is so interconnected and dependent on our free will choices for good or evil and how God uses them all.

Well it's been swell chatting with you!

Namarie, God bless, Antane :)
jan_u_wine
jan_u_wine at 2010-07-15 12:42 (UTC) (Link)
JRR really did hit upon the only scenario that really worked, in terms of bringing all the disparate ends of the story together.

it's been nice talking with you, as well.

take care!

jan
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