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MEFA nominations final: jan-u-wine a nominee

Posted on 2010.06.16 at 22:56


antane at 2010-06-17 17:45 (UTC) (Link)
You are quite welcome, Jan - thank *you*!

Namarie, God bless, Antane :)

mechtild at 2010-06-17 21:09 (UTC) (Link)
Antane, thanks so much for making this post possible! P.S. I ordered some of the books you recommended, Peter Kreeft's "The Philosophy of Tolkien", and it's come in through our interlibrary loan service. Woo hoo!
antane at 2010-06-18 00:28 (UTC) (Link)
My pleasure! Love your userpic. :)

Enjoy the book! Tell me what you think about it.

Namarie, God bless, Antane :)
mechtild at 2010-06-18 12:38 (UTC) (Link)
Good grief! I woke this morning to an email notice from the library saying Ralph Wood's "Gospel of Tolkien" and Joseph Pearce's "Tolkien: Man and Myth" are in, too. Does it matter which I read first? I'm kind of inclined to try and read Kreeft or Pearce first, since the write-ups at Amazon for those sounded the juiciest.
antane at 2010-06-18 17:50 (UTC) (Link)
IMHO I would definitely run, do not walk, to Ralph Wood first. I've read him twice. He is marvelous! Read Kreeft next if you haven't already started him. And don't forget Fleming Rutledge who is wonderful as well. Wish I had more time to re-read these two again.

Namarie, God bless, Antane :)
mechtild at 2010-06-19 04:16 (UTC) (Link)
Okey-doke, I'll follow your advice. :)

jan_u_wine at 2010-06-19 14:08 (UTC) (Link)
thank you again, Antane! I don't think that poetry is the easiest form to read and appreciate, so I am doubly happy about the nomination....I feel like Sally Fields at the Oscars: you like me....you *really* like me...

Of course, I *do* know that there are folks out in fan-dom that like the poetry. But it's always nice to be reassured. And nicer still to have more people read. I do look forward to reading the comments.

Though the poems (mostly) stand well on their own, I have come to realize, in the last few years, how much they are *framed* and enlarged upon by Mechtild's essays and choice of art. She has a lovely eye, and a wonderful mind. So a large thank-you must go to her, for her love of LOTR and her wonderful support of an oft off-course poet.

thank you again!

antane at 2010-06-19 21:03 (UTC) (Link)
You are most welcome once more, jan! :) I told Mechtild I had come across your poetry some years ago at the Scrapbook and told myself then I had to get back to it but I never did so I am glad she had chosen to showcase some of your masterpieces here so I could appreciate them at last! I did a ton of poetry when I was a Star Wars nut, inspired by a poetess there, but very little LOTR. I also told her that I would like to add your gems to my own site if I could but I hadn't gotten around to asking you yet but no time like the present, huh? :) It's at http://www.knittedsouls.com if you would like to check it and give me the honor of hosting them there as well!

Namarie, God bless, Antane :)
jan_u_wine at 2010-06-20 14:32 (UTC) (Link)
Dear Antane.....the sheer volume of LOTR prose, poetry and non-fiction is mind-boggling, isn't it? I feel a great sadness when I realize that I'll never have time to read it all....and, in fact, don't even have time to read the ones I really feel that *must* be read. *sigh*

It was (at the least) very fortunate for me that Mechtild and I *met* and that she decided to feature the poems on her LJ. What an amazing road it's been.

You've written Star Wars poetry? Although the themes are certainly similar to LOTR, I have difficulty imagining writing for those characters. I loved them, loved the story, but on a deep level, they felt too.....movie-ish to me. I felt as if Lucas were paying homage to all the Saturday movies he'd seen as a kid. All of his movies, no matter how wonderful (and I DO think the original Star Wars movies were wonderful), feel that way to me. There isn't anything better, imho, than the Indiana Jones series, but the feeling I get from the characters (and the Star Wars ones, as well), lacks a certain dimension that I find in LOTR. I guess I could simply say that Frodo feels real to me and Luke.....not so much.

I wish he did feel more real, for he's a wonderful character and he'd be wonderful to write for.

Sorry for the tangent, but your comment was interesting.

Re: hosting my poems on your site. Well, no one has ever asked me that before. That's very kind of you. May I think on it for a little while? (for one thing, I don't have files of any of the poems, and there are some on the scrap book that are rife with formatting errors. It's all a matter of time, or lack of it! TIme I spend fixing errors is time I can't spend writing, and I have so very little of it). In any case....if I may, I'll give you an answer by the end of this coming week. Thank you again!

antane at 2010-06-20 23:52 (UTC) (Link)
Mind-boggling is certainly one word for it! I have reams of essays, etc. that I have printed out and more I haven't that I have yet to read. *sigh* indeed!

Not to worry about the SW tangent. Luke had my heart for many years before I met Mr. Underhill in a theatre in 2001 and he was indeed a wonderful one to be with and write about, but you are right, Frodo is more real for me too, because he's from here, this same Earth. I've learned more from him and Sam and Aragorn, my three primary teachers, than I could from SW and have grown in my faith because of it and if you don't know, am actually writing a book about the spirituality of the tale. You can check out my blog if you want (http://momentsofgracelotr.blogspot.com) or my site for my book which my sister designed (http://wwww.momentsofgracelotr.com). Please pray for it and me!

I shall await your response regarding posting to my hobbity site. I still have many more of your poems to read and I hope to continue enjoying any new ones as well! If you wish to consider spreading your masterpieces around, you may want to look also into the Silver Leaves journal which it a print publication that publishes poetry as well as essays and art. The third issue is out and I am in it with an essay and one of the very few LOTR poems I have written. You can check out their site at http://www.whitetreefund.org. They are an awesome group!

Namarie, God bless, Antane :)
jan_u_wine at 2010-06-21 13:01 (UTC) (Link)
*sigh* indeed....I have given up on printing things out, since now I realize that it is likely I never will read them, and it only frustrates me to see them sitting on my desk.

I think that the characters of LOTR are excellent mentors (let's just say that the beloved Luke (and even Han!) were necessary precursors to this particular part of your spiritual journey). I will (I promise....and I DO keep my promises) check out your blog for info on your book....a great undertaking. I'm not certain that you are in need of my prayers, however: I believe you have the talent, drive and passion within you for this project. In those cases, I think it is only the technical aspects of the writing that are of any concern at all (that, and finding *time*). May this journey go well for you.

Congratulations on being published in Silver Leaves. I'll check out their site as well. I'm very happy that you are enjoying my work and will most certainly get back to you about hosting pieces at your site. Thank you again!
antane at 2010-06-21 17:30 (UTC) (Link)
Well, I have almost given up for the same reason, thinking I should read what I have first before adding to the pile even more and I do have hope that one day I will do it!

Definitely SW helped sharpen my writing skills and I think in some ways Luke and Frodo are akin in that they are overall gentle people who love deeply and show the power of that and of forgiveness of enemies and concern for the souls of others - you can see more of that in Luke in the voluminous professional fic that was published in later years and so he could be a role model as far as that goes. That's interesting that you would say it was necessary for the spiritual journey also. I hadn't thought of that.

I had no idea whatsoever that I would be transformed by meeting Frodo who I had no idea who he was or anything else whatsoever when I first entered Middle-earth. It took some years for SW to wear off, but I've been a Frodoholic since the summer of 2004.

Oh, I definitely need your prayers! And anyone else's too. This has been a long road already and while I do have passion, drive and hopefully talent enough, I know also how easily distracted I am by all the other pretty flowers along the path, this site included! :) and so much else, so what I really need is prayers for self-discipline and dedication and all that. I hope you enjoy the blog and book site! And thanks for your congrats on Silver Leaves. :)

Namarie, God bless, Antane :)
jan_u_wine at 2010-06-21 19:38 (UTC) (Link)
it's a very sad thing (to me, at least) that I haven't the time to read all these lovely things that call to me. Just like I will never hear all the music there is. It's a "given" of course....but I just can't accept that.

Oh, I should certainly agree that Luke and Frodo are akin. They are probably more alike than not. I expect there are a couple of groups of heroes: ones that are the large and boisterous sort and come equipped with a sword and the ability to whack people with it, and the small and quiet ones that have only their values and passion to get by on. There's sub-categories and fine-tuning, of course, but they are all part of the great cosmos of heroes, built by storytellers from day one. It's an amazing thing to be part of. (I don't know about you, but I like "modern" fairy-tales, wherein there isn't necessarily a happy ending, but rather one more in line with how life really is. These modern tales, and the heroes attached to them are people that I, at least, can identify with. Luke is one of those heroes, although he lacks, in the movies, the depth that Frodo owns).

Frodo really is a transforming character. I tend to have pictures in my mind of people and places...but there is none for Frodo: just a calm and enduring light and a feeling of utmost certainty and peace.

Certainly, I shall send prayers your way. It's difficult to know how best to serve your journey when there are so many roads that look as if they *should* be explored. We all go through that process, narrowing the roads we *can* travel down to the ones that we *must*. Thank you for allowing me to share a little of your journey.

antane at 2010-06-25 00:31 (UTC) (Link)
Sorry to be so late in replying here, so busy, and last night had a real nice thunderstorm complete with lots of lightning and a tornado warning (though not for the immediate area I was in) so didn't want to use the computer.

Frodo's greatness as a 'little' hero as different from those who are large and that he is 'one of us' is so wonderfully expressed by Connie Marie's essay - I assume you've read that? She (and you) pinned it exactly where Frodo's power lies. The overwhelmingly male does not interest me, not to say Frodo is effeminate in any way, but that he is a gentler, softer type that I prefer. Luke would in that category too. Would you be interested in reading any of the professional fic that he was in? I could recommend some if you'd like and you see how he grew. Even in the movies he grew so much, especially in Return of the Jedi which is my favorite of the first three. That had lessons for life, but I do agree Frodo and all those are much more transforming and have changed me on a much deeper level.

I love your image of Frodo. I came through the films so I didn't have any preconceived idea of what he looked like (or any clue who he even was). He is or Frolijah is one of God's most beautiful creations.

Le hannon for your prayers and your thoughtful comments! :)

Namarie, God bless, Antane :)
jan_u_wine at 2010-06-25 16:04 (UTC) (Link)
good morning! (afternoon?)....well, I am glad indeed that the storm(s) did not get you (you must live in the Midwest....Mechtild mentioned to me that there were storms and tornado warnings where she is, as well, in MN). I live in CA, where it is predictably nice. Except of course, we do have unpredictable 'quakes.

Re Connie Marie's essay: I may have read it. One problem that I have is that my memory is not stable. And I have read SO much LOTR stuff that I rarely remember specific items, especially if I read them long ago. I think that I corresponded with her briefly after having read something that she wrote, so it may have been in regards to that essay.

Re Luke: thank you for the offer, but I simply don't have the time for anything more. I rarely write any longer because of time constraints. (and....with my memory loss, reading is a waste of what time that I do have....I don't retain it, so it's just a momentary pleasure, at best. Unfortunate, but that is how it is). I loved those original three movies, though there were moments in "Return" that I did not think were well-done at all. (I thought the depiction of the Ewoks, for example, a mistake...not as huge a one as Jar-Jar, but too cutesy for the serious themes of the movie. They looked out of place to me, as if Disney and Lucas were cohabiting)

Thank you so much for your very kind compliment on the way I envision Frodo in words. I have a friend who is a visual artist for Disney and she told me last week that she considers the work she does to be acting. So I suppose that what I have done is acting in a way, too. I like what James Cagney said about acting: "you hit your mark, look the other guy in the eye, and tell the truth".

That's just elegant in its simplicity. My "mark" is the scene I am writing about (*dressed* in all its ME glory), the "other guy" is the reader, and the "truth" involves everything I *know* about Frodo (or whomever else I'm writing)from the books, other fan-fic, essays and just gleanings from life. Frodo is such an 'everyman' (and yet....not) that although he's not always easy to write, there's a wealth of material in ordinary life that can certainly be of use.

I can't explain the phenomenon of Frolijah, nor, indeed, how film served (for me) as a touch-point of writing. I'm only glad that it happened. Not only did it open my eyes to writing in the LOTR universe, but it opened them to just observing any human. For if Frodo is 'everyman', then it follows (for me, at least) that everyman has a story, every man is a hero, everyman is......a failure (in his own mind), everyman is a savior...everyman is in need of saving.

Everyone you pass on the street is a marvel of creation...and they all will tell you their stories, often with little provocation. (sometimes, of course, it will not be in words)And then you can write those stories, add a thread to the wonderful tapestry of the universe, the music...as it *happens*.

Actors sort of do this, but not like I do. They are great observers of people, and incorporate what they see into their acting. (I remember seeing a picture of EW once, leaning against a wall in a hotel, just observing people walking by. I couldn't help but think that such observation goes into the acting *pot*. He's a storyteller, one way or another...)

well, gee, i have to go...and quickly, too. Take care, dear Antane. If you should like to email me at my personal address instead of through LJ let me know. jan
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