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Galadriel’s Glade 3 ~ ‘I know what it is you saw’, plus jan-u-wine's 'Lórien Suite 3'.

Posted on 2009.06.12 at 07:58

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Maeglian
maeglian at 2009-06-13 09:20 (UTC) (Link)
Lovely pictures. That scene, its visuals, the lush green dark location, the light, the shadows, the magic mirror in the forest, evoke so many myths and archetypes. (There was a hugely fascinating thread on that once, on one of the boards back in the dasy. All gone now.) And the actors - did either one of them ever look more their character, PJ version? Sam or no Sam - the scene *works*.

I only wish they'd have found another way than the green floating toilet paper in the lightning storm to visualize Galadriel's temptation. That never worked for me. But that's a discussion for another post!

As far as I recall, Galadriel displaying Nenya is in the extended version of FotR the movie (?) but I don' think the extended scene was any better for it. It seemed kind of tagged on and incidental.
Mechtild
mechtild at 2009-06-13 14:32 (UTC) (Link)
Ha ha ha! "Green floating toilet paper in the lightning storm": that's a riot. Ngyla would be so distressed to hear her chiffon panels called "toilet paper". Yes, that'll be coming up in the next post. I had never thought of the fabric blowing around looking that way, but that's hysterical. If I can work it in, may I quote you?

She displayed Nenya in the EE? I've seen it so many times, yet I can't remember it. It must be a mental block. Jan-u-wine's theory, which I think a good one, is that Galadriel's radiance in the scene, compared to Frodo (when she's not nuclear that is) is a reference to the radiance of Nenya; it's not just because her dress is so luminous or because she's got fairy dust on her.

There was a hugely fascinating thread on that once, on one of the boards back in the dasy. All gone now.

Wow, I would have loved to have read that, Maeglian. That was before I started browsing the messageboards, I am sure, since I didn't start reading threads until just before RotK was going to come out.
Maeglian
maeglian at 2009-06-16 21:25 (UTC) (Link)
Of course you may quote me about the toilet paper. Although I would hate it if that became my only legacy left in the LotR discussion department! :-D

I looked at Blossom's gif and caps and they are very lovely - but I still think it comes across as incidental that she suddenly displays the ring. But in a way it's equally strange that she *doesn't* display it once she starts talking about what it means to be a Ring-bearer, (in the theatrical version, I mean) - since we know she has it from that scene in the prologue.

Anyway, I have always given the good Professor a small incredulous snort at Galadriel's statement that Sauron suspects she has one of the 3, but does not yet know. A quick look at the family tree of the Noldor ruling family shows that among the Aman-borns left in ME at the time she's by far the highest ranking - and lineage means a *lot* to these elves, as demonstrated over and again in the Silmarillion. It would be utterly amazing if she *didn't* keep one of the 3 rings.... Unless it's because she's a woman? Oh well, one of my ME-feminist pet peeves right there.....


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Mechtild
mechtild at 2009-06-16 23:43 (UTC) (Link)
Hi, Maeglian! I was away for a few days but am back.

I thought Blossom's caps were gorgeous. I am hoping she'll let me insert them into what I have for Pt. 5. In the theatrical, her line comes across merely as her knowing he's all alone as the Ring-bearer, because she has such insight into minds and all that. There's no connection to her being a ring-bearer herself, but it isn't really necessary for the line to sound sensible to viewers (or wasn't necessary for me). Still, I liked to see Nenya restored, for itself, for the nod to canon, and because it strengthens the scene.

Yes, it would seem likely that Sauron would know she probably had one of the rings, simply because his spies must have told him how curiously luxuriant and thriving Lorien always looks, as if it were a protected land. I don't think Galadriel being a woman would make Sauron overlook her. The other powerful individual in lore who maintained a protective, nurturing spell over an Elven land was Melian in Doriath. Melian, a Maia, didn't need a ring, of course.
Maeglian
maeglian at 2009-06-17 09:14 (UTC) (Link)
Oh, I wasn't mad at old Sauron. With all the other evils he had going, I'm sure he was a misogynist too. :-D

I was mad at Tolkien for indicating it would actually be up in the air whether Galadriel had one of the Rings, - that the powers-that-be wouldn't be sure of that - when her status really should have made her High Queen at the time. I couldn't see no other good reason for this doubt except "... but she's a woman!" But of course, her part in the rebellion and flight of the Noldor might have had more to do with her perhaps having no ring to keep...
Mechtild
mechtild at 2009-06-17 13:07 (UTC) (Link)
Regarding your statement that....

the powers-that-be wouldn't be sure of that - when her status really should have made her High Queen at the time. I couldn't see no other good reason for this doubt except "... but she's a woman!"

But I thought Sauron wasn't supposed to know where any of the three rings were, not just Galadriel's. Did he know Cirdan (then Gandalf) and Elrond had the other two? I think I need to read the book again.

As for the unbelievability of Sauron not knowing who had the three rings, I guess I just accepted it as a plot device. Until you mentioned it in these comments, I never thought about how he ought to have have known. Perhaps Tolkien figured that considering the way Sauron thought, if the Elves still had the three rings they would have used them against him by this time (instead of using them creatively, to sustain and protect). Your ideas have snagged my thinking, Maeglian. Next time I read through the story, I know this will have me looking for clues and markers in the text.
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