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NF-Lee's Gildor and Frodo

Galadriel’s Glade 2 ~ Frodo looks into the mirror, plus jan-u-wine's Lórien Suite 3.

Posted on 2009.06.03 at 07:11


mechtild at 2009-06-03 15:22 (UTC) (Link)
As you can tell I really loved Cate Blanchet in the film role, but the film character was not the book character. The only really off moments in the portrayal for me (other than 'Nuclear Gladys, to be discussed in Pt. 4) were when she was shown giving puzzling reactions in scenes, reactions which, I imagined, were filmed for other versions of the script but which were put where they were put in the final cut.

I totally agree about the way Celeborn was presented, however. It was not good. Perhaps in keeping with the film's portrayal of Galadriel as the Elf version of the Virgin Goddess of ancient myths, he was merely a consort, as you noted. Virgin Goddesses, while they may have one or many lovers, never actually give themselves to any man. They do not belong to anyone but themselves. And, to be fair, even book Galadriel is more like Athena than Hera. Yet she's more like Elbereth (who is her own self yet clearly partnered with Manwe) than any of the Greek goddesses.

That Celeborn was such a cipher seemed even more of a shame to me because I'd seen the actor, Marton Tsokas, do very good work on Xena, an older fantasy adventure TV show my daughter really liked. I watched many episodes with her and Tsokas, like Karl Urban, was featured in several memorable segments. I thought the Celeborn of the film seemed like an automaton. The exception was his EE scene with Aragorn, when Celeborn warns him about the orcs. It seemed as though an imperious curse (from the HP stories) had been lifted from him. ;)
pearlette at 2009-06-03 15:27 (UTC) (Link)
They 'fixed' Celeborn in the EE, IMO. :) I thought he was truly a noble Elf Lord in that. :) Even if he does bear an extraordinary resemblance to Lucius Malfoy, LOL! Poor Martin Csokas, he got a bit shafted in the theatrical version.

I am afraid that my vision of Celeborn was corrupted many years ago by a wholly irreverent remark on the Imladris messageboard -- a remark made by The Purist, no less -- about what an arse he was to the Fellowship when they turned up in Lorien. I'd never thought of it like that before, but I had to concede that The Purist had a point. :D

I've never been the most reverent of Tolkien fans. :)

mechtild at 2009-06-04 14:30 (UTC) (Link)
I'm glad to hear you also appreciated the fine work they let Tsokas do in the EE scenes. I wish that was the level and tone of the whole portrayal. How much better it would have been both for actor and narrative.

When you say The Purist said Celeborn was an arse to the Fellowship, I take it he/she was talking about the film Celeborn? Or did he/she mean Celeborn in the book? Your last remark, "I've never been the most reverent of Tolkien fans" seems to imply the latter.... No need to be reverent of the films, after all. ;)

(Sorry I am only just now answering this, Pearl; I didn't see it until just now; guess no "notice of reply" got sent.)
pearlette at 2009-06-04 14:43 (UTC) (Link)
The Purist (he was a he) was referring to Book Celeborn. I well remember the discussion -- it was at least 18 months before the films came out! :) The Purist made me laugh with his dismissal of Book Celeborn, and then I thought: 'you know, he's right. Celeborn was out of line to denounce Gandalf's apparent fall from wisdom because he had died in Moria, and really out of line to doubt the Fellowship because he must have realised what grave peril they were in, surely.'

Galadriel, with hindsight, appears much the wiser of the two.

It does make one wonder why she left Cel behind when she sailed with the other Ringbearers. :D
mechtild at 2009-06-04 15:13 (UTC) (Link)
Well, C. doesn't sound like the sharpest knife in the drawer. They met way back when; maybe he was an Elf hunk and Galadriel found him strangely irresistible. In Tolkien's essay on the ways and mores of Elvish marriage and mating practices it sounds like Elves, typically do their mating and child-rearing in the early part of their lives. Not that the Elves in LotR are typical; Legolas still isn't married and Elrond married late and had his children late. But in Tolkien's description of the typical course of Elf marriages, the early years of childbearing and rearing give way to a lifetime of greater distance. They are still married and not portrayed as straying into infidelities, but they seem to share a more mental intimacy after the shagging years are over (and they're over early!), tending to spend more time each pursuing her/his own interest and honing their skills, which may require time away from each other to do. So maybe what seems like distance and coolness between C. and G., the only married Elf couple we see in LotR, is a depiction of what mature immortals are like as couples: "we do our own things and we are o.k. with that". Also, from the perspective of immortals, maybe the time they spend separated -- Celebrian leaving Elrond early to recuperate in Aman, Celeborn not ready to leave when Galadriel does, but staying to linger in M-E - see Sam and Elanor's remarks in The Epilogue -- is not so onerous for them. Just tossing some ideas around....
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