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NF-Lee's Gildor and Frodo

Rivendell 15 ~ Bilbo’s Gifts IV: Bilbo’s remorse, plus jan-u-wine's Rivendell Suite Pt. 8.

Posted on 2009.03.03 at 10:51


(Anonymous) at 2009-03-04 22:19 (UTC) (Link)
Thank you for these, Mechtild. I have enjoyed browsing your latest 'Rivendell' entries. This is one of my favourite film scenes, though as you say, poor Bilbo was rather made to look as though his separation from the Ring had not in the least lessened his desire for it. (To be fair, film-Bilbo
was not allowed the seventeen years that book-Bilbo was given.)

When reading the book passage, I have always thought that Bilbo's transformation was the Ring influencing Frodo's perception ~ an hallucination, almost ~ evidence that Frodo was already succumbing to it's power.

At least the film-scene reverts to the tender father/son relationship. It's very touching, and beautifully played by both actors. I always feel for Bilbo. How anxious he must have been waiting there in Rivendell, knowing Frodo is walking into the unknown to face the gravest danger (not least from the Ring itself), wondering if he would ever see him again.

Frodo is simply beautiful in these screencaps, and your commentary, as ever, is thoughtful and perceptive. Jan's words never fail to move me

'But all the while I sit and think
of times there were before,
I listen for returning feet
and voices at the door.'

I don't believe those words would be lost on Frodo either.

Thank you again. I hope the kitties are all well.
~ Blossom.
mechtild at 2009-03-04 22:37 (UTC) (Link)
(To be fair, film-Bilbo
was not allowed the seventeen years that book-Bilbo was given.)

Well-noted, Blossom! I had entirely forgotten about that radical time compression. However, even bearing that in mind, why would Bilbo have becomes massively worse in a year? In Bag End, when Gandalf pressured film Bilbo to give up the Ring, he lost his temper and behaved in a manner that caused Gandalf alarm, but he did respond to Gandalf's admonition (complete with impressive growth in size and vocal timbre), and recovered post haste. In Rivendell, he goes virtually bonkers at just the sight of the Ring, and he doesn't even "own" it any more. Ah, well, I guess a viewer could reason that in the first scene he felt less threatened because although he was being asked to give it up, it *was* still his. In the Rivendell scene, the context is that the Ring now "belongs" to someone else. Maybe that's supposed to make him worse?

I always feel for Bilbo. How anxious he must have been waiting there in Rivendell, knowing Frodo is walking into the unknown to face the gravest danger (not least from the Ring itself), wondering if he would ever see him again.

Gosh, that's a beautiful enlargement on the book scene. Bilbo certainly did not look very optimistic watching Frodo and his companions prepare to leave, the evening of their departure. Of course all these thoughts would be coming down on him, try as he might to be a hobbit of good cheer.

Blossom, off topic, but have you had time to prepare any more material for your beautiful Frodo website?
(Anonymous) at 2009-03-07 22:41 (UTC) (Link)
I do have several unfinished projects sitting on my hard-drive, Mechtild.

(Coincidentally, I have been working for a while on a slideshow using the 'Bilbo's Song' poem you quoted in this entry, but have run up against a problem which means I will have to re-think how I will present it on the site ~ arrgghh!)

I had been planning to update In Dreams soon, but RL issues are claiming my time, and will be for the next few weeks. Of course I will let you know as soon as I am able to add to the site.

~ Blossom.
mechtild at 2009-03-08 00:00 (UTC) (Link)
A slideshow using Bilbo's song? That would be WONDERFUL. What version are you planning on using? On the "Complete Recordings of RotK" soundtrack, Howard Shore has done a setting of Bilbo's song for boy's choir. It's very lovely and elegaic, but I confess that if I didn't already know the words I wouldn't understand what the boys are saying. Not being able to understand the words robs the song of much of its impact, making it merely pretty rather than moving. If you use it, I think you should find a way to show the words.

I had been planning to update In Dreams soon, but RL issues are claiming my time....

Hmmm. Sounds familiar. ;) Planning together for another poem post this year for March 25th (the anniversary of the fall of Barad-dur and the destruction of the Ring), I saw that I posted Rivendell Pt. 1 last March 25th. I've been working on the Rivendell series a year! I can tell you, it took me aback. Boy, was I unproductive, LJ-wise.

(Anonymous) at 2009-03-08 20:39 (UTC) (Link)
I have used Howard Shore's 'ROTK Complete Recordings' music, Mechtild, set to wallpaper-ish images I made ~ and yes, the words to the poem appear in the slideshow too. The problem I have is with the music ~ neither Photobucket or YouTube will allow the video to upload due to copyright issues. (I was informed by YouTube recently that the audio to my 'Into the West' video had been removed for copyright reasons, and now I see the video has disappeared altogether!) It seems the powers-that-be are cracking down on the use of music from the soundtrack, so I will have to present the project some other way. I should still be able to upload the slideshow ~ with the music ~ to Mediafire, as a downloadable file, but it won't be available to play on the page of the website. I have re-made the slideshow with an alternative music track, but it isn't the same ~ the Howard Shore theme is so lovely, and it's what I had in mind when I decided to present the poem in the form of a slideshow. I may simply put the images and verse on a scrolling page, with a link for the downloadable slideshow ~ but I cannot make my mind up.

You're planning an entry for March 25th? I'll look forward to that!

~ Blossom.
mechtild at 2009-03-08 21:33 (UTC) (Link)
Hmmm. These copyright issues are not particular to LotR. My daughter made little music videos for her favourite animated features, using music from here and there, and several have been taken down from YouTube for copyright infringement. I suppose it is a valid issue, all this use of material with no remuneration. But the way I look at it, it adds up to a tremendous amount of advertisting, sort of -- at least exposure -- and all for free -- that the artists and owners of the copyrights would have not otherwise got. Exposure and advertising which, if the pieces are good, only enhance fans' love for the music, and maybe even bring in more listeners.

Well, whatever you do, I am sure it is going to be *beautiful*.
(Anonymous) at 2009-03-09 22:20 (UTC) (Link)
There is a news item on my homepage this evening concerning YouTube.


It seems many videos containing material owned by Warner Music Group have been disabled or removed. After reading that news item, I checked my YouTube account to find several more videos of mine have been disabled ~ all those using music owned by WMG. I would think Warner studios own the film images too ~ I hope they don't ever ban the use of

I'm sorry to hear your daughter's videos were taken down. I do agree with you that copyright infringement is a valid issue, on the other hand I think that ~ at least as far as LOTR goes ~ fans have spent a lot of money over the years on the various DVDs and soundtracks, as well as paying to see the films multiple times in the cinema. Most fans who make these videos do so out of love for the material, not for any monetary gain ~ and as you say, Mechtild, the videos do generate free publicity. (Not that LOTR needs any more promotion!)

~ Blossom.

mechtild at 2009-03-10 00:53 (UTC) (Link)
Oh, that's too bad! Maybe I'll mention it to my daughter, so she can steel herself to seeing more stuff missing when she next checks.

I am so sorry that any of your music videos have gone down. Thank goodness for me I have saved them all to my files at home, but what a shame for fans who might never see them except on a public site, whether because they are following a link, doing random browsing, or because they don't have their own machines. Whaaaah!

I don't like the LotR folks will ever think the films can't be further promoted. I'm sure they will be putting out new editions of the films for years. ;)
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