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NF-Lee's Gildor and Frodo

It seems to be working! Woo hoo!

Posted on 2005.06.10 at 13:17
Well! *rubs hands with satisfaction*

I suppose now it is my task to let you all know this thing is in place, so that you can find and bookmark this journal. I don't yet know how the friends thing works, but I am sure I will get the hang of it.

Anyway:

WELCOME AND GREETINGS!!!

(I wonder how I can post a picture...? I'll have to read up on that.)

I am someone who has loved all the laughs and discussion she has had on the Tolkien boards in the Frodo threads. This journal is my personal attempt to try and continue that laughter and discussion, should the threads peter out altogether. I know many of the fans I posted with a year ago, even months ago, have "moved on" from the boards -- but not from loving Tolkien and Tolkien's Frodo Baggins, the character whom I consider the most beautiful character in literature (and whose screen self is definitely the most beautiful face in film).


My hope is that this can become a place for us to talk, especially about Frodo and things Tolkien, with all of us free to be as explicit as we want. It would be nice to just say the names of the body parts and sexual acts we mean -- although inventing euphemisms for them is half the fun of common speech. *wink*

Note: I yet hope we can refrain from the gratuitous use of obscenities; if one needs to quote it, or simply to vent once in a while, that is different.

Second Note: I have no idea how the little pictures by people's names are supposed to show up in replies, why my journal page is yellow or any of the technical stuff. Again, I am hoping to learn as I go. You experienced LJ people can provide advice, perhaps. *importunate smiley face*

I am looking forward to welcoming you here, if only to know that I can reach you when and if you no longer frequent the messageboard threads where I still hang out (TORc's Frodo/Elijah swoon thread in the "Fandom" forum, and K-D's New Frodo's Harem in the "Community Cafe").

Smooches,

~ Mechtild

Comments:


Ariel
elasg at 2005-06-10 19:50 (UTC) (Link)
*Covers Mechtild with smoochies!*

Welcome, welcome! I can help out a little myself - I don't yet know all the ins and outs of LJ but I could at least code in HTML before I got here and so can make my expressions known!

A good resource I found is the LJ FAQ page - it gives you all the formats of those pesky little coding things that help your posts look all pretty and suchlike.

Glad to see you here! Heck, I am glad to see you anywhere!
Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-06-10 22:23 (UTC) (Link)
Thank you, Pearl and Ariel!

Ariel, I don't know what the deal is with the html codes. I hand-typed them into my texts, just like I would when posting chapters at the Archives, and, in my "Preview" box and final box, they all look fine! Hmmmph. But apparently neither you nor Pearl sees what I am seeing. I guess I will look at the link you gave tongiht. Thanks! P.S. Your avatar/icon's text CRACKS ME UP.

Pearl, I did find the button for un-screening the posts. Thanks. I hadn't noticed that, nor did I know what it meant anyway. Pearlie, I must say that portrait of Frodo is extra-hot, too. It looks like one from that great series of publicity stills that look like portaits (Gandalf is with him in some of them, too), but those all have plain backgrounds.

I am sure I will be asking you both lots of questions. Please bear with me.

~ Mechtild
pearlette
pearlette at 2005-06-10 23:07 (UTC) (Link)
Dear Ariel made all my icons. :):):):):)

That one is a scorcher, Ariel. I don't like to think of our poor baby being tormented in Cirith Ungol. :( Instead, that screencap just shouts 'FRO IN ECSTASY' at me. :D Which is a much happier thought!

I like LJ. I treat it as a sanctuary. And there's not the pressure to post stuff every day. And you are in control of your own journal, it's not modded, except by you!

I only post something on my LJ if I feel I have something to say. But I'm glad I have one. :)

Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-06-14 03:55 (UTC) (Link)

Frodo

NOTE:

NOTE: This is from naiad (not from Mechtild, who is merely re-posting it):

Well, it doesn't surprise me that film fans have moved on - not in the least. LOTR was marketed in much the same way as the XBOX (ugh!). And none of that stuff has staying power - not even meant to have it. The books, and particular book Frodo - possibly the sharpest contrast from his film counterpart, are another matter...

Re: your lovely quote, Mechtild, that bears much repeating -

"Tolkien's Frodo Baggins, the character whom I consider the most beautiful character in literature (and whose screen self is definitely the most beautiful face in film)."

Oh yes! I would only alter this a bit to say I find Frodo to be the most beautiful character in fiction or non-fiction.
Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-06-14 03:57 (UTC) (Link)

Welcome, naiad!

naiad, you didn't sign your post, but I knew it was you from your email. In LJ's, there is no other way for you to be identified except by signing your post (if you aren't registered into their system). Of course, if you actually had preferred to remain anonymous, I apologize.

"I would only alter this a bit to say I find Frodo to be most beautiful character in fiction or non-fiction."

More beautiful than anyone in non-fiction, too? -- you mean, in RL? Well, book Frodo is better than anyone I've ever known personally, that is true. Certainly, he is waaaaay better than I am.

I don't know if the fans I am talking about, though, were merely film fans. Many of the posters whose comments I was eavesdropping on in that archived discussion, were book fans before they saw the films. What did seem to be true, though, was that their besottedness had come -- and gone -- with the films. They still seemed to be Tolkien fans, but no longer had the fire between the ears (and legs) to write about the LotR characters the way they had done.

My "besottedness" came with the films, too. As you know from the threads we've posted in, quite a lot of us had never thought of book Frodo in an amorous way, not until seeing the films. But, in my case, what has happened is that although the book version of Frodo has resurfaced from under his film-persona now that it is not constantly in my eyes and ears, film Frodo's beauty has made a permanent impression on me. His general look, as well as the sound of his voice have made a deep mark on my perception of book Frodo. I don't think it's going to go away.

Something similar happened to me listening to the BBC radio production of LotR. Bill Nighy's Sam was so excellent and right to me, I know hear his voice and inflections when I read Sam's parts in the book. I don't see Bill Nighy's face, though, because it was a radio play, not a film.

~ Mechtild
(Anonymous) at 2005-06-14 05:07 (UTC) (Link)

Re: Frodo's lasting beauty

Thanks, Mech!
Yes, I DID mean more beautiful than anyone in RL (non-fiction.

naiad
(Anonymous) at 2005-06-14 10:04 (UTC) (Link)

Live Journal Yay!!!

Hi there Mechtild!

I thought I'd drop by to say hello.

Well, book Frodo is better than anyone I've ever known personally, that is true. Certainly, he is waaaaay better than I am.

That goes for me too.

Estë

Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-06-14 15:10 (UTC) (Link)

Welcome, Estë!

Estë, how lovely to see your post! I hope you will visit again when you have time in RL; I know, from your recent email that you have been pretty busy.

Do stop to look at the journal entry illustrated by the Art Travesty David. ("Frovid"). Ariel linked her "improved" David in one of her replies - the one that needs a jockstrap BAD. (Woo hoo!)

And there is a really great illustration that Ariel posted in a reply on the most recent journal page, with the "In the Tower" digital piece posted in it, by "Green Ghost."

~ Mechtild
pearlette
pearlette at 2005-06-15 08:44 (UTC) (Link)
Word on Bill Nighy's Sam. He IS, for me, the definitive Sam. The love between Frodo and Sam is beautifully portrayed in the BBC LOTR, with great delicacy and awareness of the social nuances in the master/servant dynamic.

PJ's Sam is too damn bossy. :p Actually, Film Sam is just dandy in FOTR. No problem there. By the end of TTT, though, I started to realise who PJ thought the real hero was. *grumble*

To make it clear that I am not bashing Sam (since I love him dearly): I've always regarded Frodo and Sam as EQUALLY heroic, in different ways (while Frodo remains for me the central protagonist, even if Tolkien ends the story with Sam's POV). But portraying Sam as MORE heroic than Frodo ... ??? Uh-uh, mister Jackson!

Film Frodo's beauty has also permeated my consciousness very deeply. And how! I really am in love with him - not in the same way as I would love a real person, I hasten to add. I'm always very careful to draw the boundary between fantasy and reality. Film Frodo is not real, he's a gorgeous ideal - the eternal Cupid. And yet, as I've said elsewhere, I still don't visualise him as I read the books. Book Frodo is really so very different ... ;) More gritty, more incisive, more - well, he's just cool.

And yet Film Frodo DOES convey something of the spiritual qualities that become more apparent in Book Frodo.
(Anonymous) at 2005-06-15 02:18 (UTC) (Link)

connections....

Mechtild - you were just in time with your rounding us up in your LJ! I tried to stop by at KD tonight and found the site down with 'This account has been suspended' across the screen. Yikes! That's never happened before - leastwise not to me. You are prescient, aren't you!

Thoughts on LOTR/Frodo fandom. It really began long before the movie, with Tolkien clubs and journals. Tolkien-based fanfic was certainly around before the movies, in zines and so on (Ariel knows more about this, I think). Granted the movie brought about a resurgance, but much of explosion of lotr discussion and fic on the net began with rumor of the film - BEFORE it was actually released. For instance, a very cool lotr fic site, called Nindawe was full of creative and some very fine spinoffs from the books. Some were startling dark, others fun, and others hot (first slash I ever read was there). Not surprisingly (to me) and to my great delight, MOST of them concerned Frodo!!! (err, as I recall). The Nindawe server finally burst at the seams and other sites - WotM and HA, maybe - became note worthy in that genre. I don't have the details on all this history because I was never into any LOTR fan orgs, until TORC, TORN, and CoE where I discovered the Harem early on. So others, feel free to correct what are just my personal observations that began in early 2001. Any how, my point is that I think canon and its characters have their own fan base which has and probably/hopefully will continue. Regardless, I will always always take shelter and seek out Frodo Baggins in the beautiful printed pages.

cheers*
naiad
Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-06-15 02:43 (UTC) (Link)

Re: connections....

Now this may take some doing, naiad, because I still stink at hand-entering all the codes (spoiled by the easy ways of messageboards for entering formats), but I want to provide you a link. You mentioned "Nindawae" (sp?), a great fanfiction archive. I had never heard of it, but now that you name it, I just read of it, with a few remarks about its demise, in Ariel's LJ a few days ago. Here's a link to the journal entry in which it was discussed:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/elasg/27049.html#cutid2

You'll see that your questions are answered. I am betting Ariel knows more, if you want to ask her via email or PM.

P.S. K-D did this very same thing Sun. morning. I found that it was not just my computer -- checking around -- the same alarm was being expressed on Maeglian's LJ. I don't know WHAT's up this time, though !?!?!??!

~ Mecthild
pearlette
pearlette at 2005-06-15 08:30 (UTC) (Link)

On Nindaiwe

[b]Nindaiwe[/b] was a very nice fanfic site in 2002. Quite a few Haremites posted their fics there. It was where I first read Teasel's fine, non-explicit, slash fic 'Heatwave'.

At first there seemed to be a good screening policy on fics (NC-17 was allowed but stuff had to be well-written) but then it became 'open season' on the site and, to be blunt, quite a lot of crappy stuff (as in, the worst of FanFiction.net) ended up there.

Then the creator of [b]Nindaiwe[/b] simply lost interest in it, in autumn 2002. (She lost interest in LOTR fandom at the same time). When it was time for her to reboot the account for the site, she just ... didn't. And the site disappeared into a black hole and never appeared again.

Thank goodness for [b]West of the Moon[/b]. :) And Ariel's site, of course!

As for K-D ... well, Moggy's on holiday and I don't know what can be done in his absence.
Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-06-15 13:53 (UTC) (Link)

Re: On Nindaiwe

Thanks for the info. on K-D, Pearl.

Nindaiwe sounds as though it must have been terrific. As for planniing ahead for the untimely deaths of cherished archives, perhaps we really should be making a catalogue of fics by author and title, just in case, like I said. Then, at least, one could try to find a fic by using the web browsers to look up the author or title; the author might have a website or an LJ and be posting the story there.

Just an idea.

P.S. I noticed your formatting commands didn't work. I did that, too! Here, the formatting info. goes between hair pins < > , not brackets like on the message boards [ ].
Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-06-15 14:09 (UTC) (Link)

Pearl, I missed your note re:Sam

Pearl, I hadn't seen your post about Sam when I posted. I just opened the journal and scrolled down to the bottom, forgetting people can attach a new post in the middle of a string of comments. I'll get the hang of this, honest!

Amen to Bill Nighy's Sam. If it hadn't been for his Sam, I wouldn't have been able to see many new things about the Mordor section of the story, especially.

As for book Frodo not looking like film Frodo when you get back into reading it, that is what I found, too. Only in my fanfic does Frodo continue to look and sound strongly reminiscent of film Frodo.

But when I am reading, I do have a picture of Frodo in my mind whereas before the films, I had no visual image of Frodo's face at all. Now I see a face and a person, enfleshed; he looks like a thirty-something Colin Firth, actually. Firth is not as pretty as Frolijah by a long chalk, yet, he is a very comely man. And with a great face and manner for conveying extremely complex thoughts and emotions, as they shift and roil beneath a fairly reserved exterior.

Yes, if you are wondering, I like Colin Firth very much -- though I don't swoon for him. I swooned for his Mr. Darcy, though, BIG time!

~ Mechtild
pearlette
pearlette at 2005-06-15 18:00 (UTC) (Link)

Colin Firth's Mr. Darcy

He was sex on legs. Sex. On. Legs.

Feast your eyes on THIS:

http://members.aol.com/DJohn10589/pride.html

That was the first hit when I Googled 'Colin Firth as Mr Darcy'.

My enduring swoons (chronologically):

1. Harrison Ford as John Deckard
2. Harrison Ford as John Book
3. Colin Firth as Mr Darcy
4. EJW as FB

Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-06-15 21:23 (UTC) (Link)

Colin Firth as Darcy and Valmont

NOTE: I seem to be having computer trouble and may end up not being able to use the internet any minute; just letting you know. *gulp*


Hubba, hubba, Pearl! Great link! Ah, wasn't it a thrill, that production? *sigh*

Just because he's such a Darcy-esque dish in this Art Travesty, I will take the opportunity to post my "Frodo as Jacques Louis David" (in David's self portrait).

Actually, Pearl, I slobber massively for Colin Firth in the less well-known film, Valmont. It came out, unfortunately, at the same time as a better-reviewed film based on the same story, Dangerous Liaisons. He plays the accomplished, seemingly heartless 18th century seducer. The dance scene in which he dances with all the female guests at the chateau in turn, saving the swooniest for last, is to DIE for.

And his wicked, bored seduction of young Cecile! In her guest room, the innocent Cecile has innocently plopped down on her bed on her stomach, ready to take his dictation; Valmont has suggested he help her compose a love letter to the music teacher she has a crush on.

He plops down on the bed, too, at about her knee level, while she begins to scribble his dictation eagerly. With the camera shooting them profile at just above bed level, Valmont begins to improvise what Cecile should say, while (rather absently) he slowly pushes up her skirts until she, quite flustered, stops writing. The folds of satin heaped up beyond her buttocks he grasps the outsides of her [closed] thighs and trails a line of kisses up the back of one of them, interspaced with phrases of the letter he is improvising. She glances back, with a rather "Uh - oh" look on her alarmed face, but she is as transfixed as any bird by a snake. The camera cuts away when, after brushing a soft kiss on the exposed mound of her plump little arse, with a decisive grip, he parts her thighs. Cecile is heard to gasp (along with all the female viewers, I am sure).

I think I hit "replay" about 50 times.

So, in honour of Colin Firth, once again, here's "Frodo as Mr. Darcy, per Jacques Louis David":

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pearlette
pearlette at 2005-06-15 21:49 (UTC) (Link)

Ack! Evil computer problems!

Hope they get sorted out!

He plops down on the bed, too, at about her knee level, while she begins to scribble his dictation eagerly. With the camera shooting them profile at just above bed level, Valmont begins to improvise what Cecile should say, while (rather absently) he slowly pushes up her skirts until she, quite flustered, stops writing. The folds of satin heaped up beyond her buttocks he grasps the outsides of her [closed] thighs and trails a line of kisses up the back of one of them, interspaced with phrases of the letter he is improvising. She glances back, with a rather "Uh - oh" look on her alarmed face, but she is as transfixed as any bird by a snake. The camera cuts away when, after brushing a soft kiss on the exposed mound of her plump little arse, with a decisive grip, he parts her thighs. Cecile is heard to gasp (along with all the female viewers, I am sure).

Oh my word. I saw 'Valmont' and that scene REALLY remained with me. Soooooo incredibly erotic!!! Yes, I hit the 'replay' button too. :D

I've always loved the movie 'Dangerous Liaisons' but sadly never went to see the Royal Shakespeare Production's famous production on stage, in 1989, with Alan Rickman - ALAN FREAKING RICKMAN!!!! - as Valmont. A number of my friends saw this and assured me that his performance practically made knickers explode. Alan Rickman as Valmont. And I missed it. *sob*


Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-06-15 22:25 (UTC) (Link)

Re: Ack! Evil computer problems!

Pearl! Alan Rickman as Valmont???? Oh, slobber, indeed. That voice! That manner!

I did not like John Malkovitch as Valmont in Dangerous Liaisons at all, although I have though him super in other things. I thought he was quite miscast, although I think he played it to hot reviews on Broadway. I didn't like that film, really. Not even like Glenn Close and I think she's really good. I disliked Uma Thurman very much as the supposedly young girl. Overall, they all seemed completely like modern people in costumes; they had no style or manner of a previous era. Certainly not an era that stressed speech and elegant manners no matter how they behaved in private.

The problem with the terribly slow load-up seems to be limited to the LJ site, now that I have checked. Uh – oh.
julchen11
julchen11 at 2006-05-31 22:13 (UTC) (Link)
What a wonderful start and look at you now sweetie! Isn't it amazing ?
I never heard of TORc's or K-D's ... I'm glad you are here and I found you *giggles*
So let's go on ... *waves and smiles*
Mechtild
mechtild at 2006-05-31 22:28 (UTC) (Link)
My first experience being on a messageboard was at TORc ("Tolkien Online"), a big Tolkien messageboard during the time before the films, but becoming very big before and during the making and release of the films. It was known for its seriousness and size as a place to read and post, with many heated arguments between impassioned Tolkien fans and scholars.

K-D I didn't discover until a year later. It stands for "Khazad-dum" and is another messageboard for Tolkien fans, hosted out of the U.K. There I found a strong group of Frodo and EW-focussed fans (my own special area of interest), some of whom came from other messageboards (The Council of Elrond - CoE - and Imladris). This was a cozier board with people who seem to actually meet each other in real life (not me, though). Many of the fans in the Frodo threads also wrote (and write) fanfic.

Both boards are pretty quiet places, now, though, since the films have receded in fame. I met some great people there, though, many of whom are people on my friends list. Many whom I knew at both boards now no longer dabble in LotR or Frodo things and have drifted off. They write in other fandoms now, which I don't read.
julchen11
julchen11 at 2006-05-31 23:04 (UTC) (Link)
Thank you sweetie for letting me know. And it's true ... I am here at LJ land since last February and many people drifted off , as you said, to other fandoms. But for me Frodo will always be in my heart, this will never change. I'm reading Tolkien's books for about 25 years and I'll read them again and again. There's so much to discover, everytime I started anew there is this feeling. It's simply magic.
Middle Earth ... a wonderful place to stay there. Sometimes you need to escape real life and it's wonderful to be here. To be with friends, sharing the same passion (sometimes obsession) ... it's a wonderful feeling. I have to say it again: I am glad that I've found you.
Keep your spirit, go on this way (I will take the next step through your journal)

*hugs you tight*
Mechtild
mechtild at 2006-06-01 00:06 (UTC) (Link)
"Last February" - do you mean February of 2005, I am thinking? I began to throw myself into online fandom just before 2004. I thought it was electric then, but "old timers" who were on the messageboards from the moment the films were first being planned say that the peak excitement was after FotR was released and before TTT came out, in 2002. People so loved FotR they were salivating for TTT, talking up all the spoilers and leaks like mad.

When the Two Towers actually came ou (they say), a lot of hard-core fans were disappointed, even angry about the departures from the book(I wasn't one of them) and left the boards even before RotK came out. For other fans, RotK was the confirmation that the films had gone astray (not my feeling). They left the boards and didn't come back except to express dismay over the EE of RotK.

Frodo fans were especially miffed, since his character got overshadowed by Sam's as the hero.

h well, I loved him madly, in spite of the diminishments.
julchen11
julchen11 at 2006-06-01 00:16 (UTC) (Link)
yes I mean February 2005, sorry I should have said so.
Oh yes, I see. FotR is a great movie, TTT not that bad, but - for me - ForR is a little bit better and RotK is always heartbreaking.
And as you said .. Frodo ... I loved him madly and I still do.
Mechtild
mechtild at 2006-06-01 01:04 (UTC) (Link)
Although looking back at all three films I now think the EE of FotR is the very best of all of them, I really do love them all. I loved the Two Towers when I saw it in theatres, even if they sent Frodo to Osgiliath and let Legolas use his shield as a skateboard. I thought it was full of great stuff.

RotK shocked me when I first saw it with its changes but, once I accepted that it was not the book, I loved it (with the exception of a few brief scenes during which I simply close my eyes, never having got used to them *grin*).
julchen11
julchen11 at 2006-06-02 06:51 (UTC) (Link)
For me FotR is the best , the very best of all movies. TTT ... not that bad, but I didn't watch it as much as I was - and still am - watching FotR. Legolas and his skateboards, no. I guess it was meant to be funny, but no. I can't get used to it. The rest was ok
RotK ... if you only look at it as a MOVIE, it is really beautiful, heartbreaking, sad and beautiful.
But you can't compare it to the book.
Though I love both, the movies and the books (the books a little bit ... more, mmm... much more).



Mechtild
mechtild at 2006-06-02 12:25 (UTC) (Link)
Though I love both, the movies and the books (the books a little bit ... more, mmm... much more).

Agreed. I love them both, but the books better.

But I do significantly love the LotR films above all other films, which just goes to show that, when it comes down to it, I think books are capable of more greatness than films as an art form.
julchen11
julchen11 at 2006-06-02 12:27 (UTC) (Link)
Point! I couldn't have said it better dearie! Have a nice day!
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