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The FotR Extras: A Sam/Frodo fanfic resource....

Posted on 2005.11.26 at 15:09
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Edited to add:

Note: I moved the "Sam/Frodo" caps to their own entry, dated November 27.




More caps from the "Extras" disc for the theatrical version of FotR....

I explained previously that I hadn’t thought there was anything in the LotR films to inspire a Merry/Frodo erotic pairing, but I do think the filmmakers provided fuel for a Frodo/Sam one. I don't think the writers, the director, or the actors intended the relationship to be read that way, according to their remarks in interviews and in the commentaries, but they have acknowledged that large numbers of film fans see the onscreen relationship as one between lovers.

Me, I still see the film as portraying the two as friends, if very equalized friends (the class distinction Tolkien kept in place in the book is nearly done away with in the films). However, there are a few film scenes in which loving looks between the two are photographed so lingeringly, so pointedly, a person who already is thinking along slash lines can be forgiven for finding them full of innuendo.

Watching the FotR TE extras, there were many clips that showed the hobbit actors being very affectionate with each other as a group – horsing around, embracing, kissing. It is my guess that this sort of footage did much to inspire the wealth of fic that has featured the hobbits engaging in a lot of hot but essentially companionable sex, as twosomes, threesomes, or more, rolling around licking each other like puppies. Everywhere. (*snortle*) But none of the horsing around I've seen in the Extras shows Frodo/Elijah Wood and Sam/Sean Astin singled out specifically as a pair.

One scene did leap out at me as “fodder” for the S/F fanfic pairing, however. It seems to have been an outtake from the Farewell Party scene. In it, Sam and Rosie have been laughing together. Suddenly Frodo throws himself into Sam’s arms. It might have been Elijah just horsing around, but they look as if they are in character, so I have assumed it was filmed as part of the scene.

Watching this sequence from the Extras, a scene from a favourite highly-rated slash fanfic popped up in my mind. It was from Bill the Pony’s outrageous but highly entertaining, Hare and Hounds. In that story’s opening, a saucy Frodo enrols himself as a “hare” in the local Overlithe footrace, in which mostly lads chase mostly lasses through the night, in order to have their way with them -- if they can catch them (or, if they allow themselves to be caught). Frodo does this in order to entice a reluctant Sam (one of the “hounds”) to act upon the attraction he suspects Sam has been keeping in check. In accordance with the rules, hounds may only chase hares from whom they have previously snagged a token; a ribbon. When Sam sees that a number of lasses and lads are snagging ribbons from Frodo during the preliminary chase, Sam joins the pursuit. Sam finally runs Frodo to earth, so to speak, and Frodo is cornered. But, rather than wait for Sam to snatch the token from his shirt, Frodo leaps into Sam’s arms and snogs him, right in front of all and sundry. The story goes on from there to its NC-17 conclusion, in fine B the P style.

Here is the series of caps that made me think of that scene from Hare and Hounds. I have tried to lighten and sharpen them, but they still are not very good. Sam and Rosie seem to be cheering the dancers on when Frodo, apparently running over to them from out of the midst of the dancers, leaps into a surprised Sam’s arms. Because the first few were so blurry, the caps below start with Frodo already in Sam’s arms. Sam eases him down, still hugging him, clapping him on the back. Seeing this sequence, especially taken out of context, I thought, "What an S/F goldmine!"


From the SCI-FI channel’s A Passage to Middle-Earth, on the FotR TE DVD Extras:



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(Note: the rest of these caps have been moved to the subsequent LJ entry:)

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I am posting the following sequence not because they look particularly slashy, but just because Frodo is so lovely in them. The actors are in character, so I assume they are another outtake.


Caps from the FOX channel’s, The Quest for the Ring:



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Click HERE for table of Frodo and Elijah Wood Screencaps.



~ Mechtild

Comments:


pearlette
pearlette at 2005-11-26 23:23 (UTC) (Link)
Oh Lord, he does look lovely in them!!! *happy dreamy sigh*

As for the TE Extra scenes showing F/S hugging, that first one of Sam embracing Frodo with Rosie looking on, grinning in delight, makes me chuckle.

The horsing around between the hobbit actors was always delightful ...

Frodo/Sam ... I think I've accepted the view, and I suspect I have always taken this view, unconsciously or not, that Frodo and Sam are essentially straight guys who are in some way soulmates. The BBC LOTR radio adaptation does nothing to dispel that view, with its wonderful - and more canon-based - portrayal of the depth and intensity of the bond that gets forged between Frodo and Sam, particularly in Mordor. The BBC Grey Havens ...!!!! *sob* In terms of storytelling, I prefer the BBC Grey Havens, but love the hugs and kisses in PJ's version. Very hobbitlike!!

Filmwise, I found it a little hard to adjust to Sam looking older than Frodo!!! But then Film Frodo's angelic beauty tends to quash all rational thought. :D

However one reads it, it's a very beautiful and moving relationship.
Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-11-27 00:13 (UTC) (Link)
Ah, Pearl, I'm almost off to have another try at seeing Goblet of Fire again (NOT at the "dome Omnimax" this time).

... I think I've accepted the view, and I suspect I have always taken this view, unconsciously or not, that Frodo and Sam are essentially straight guys who are in some way soulmates.

Yeah, me, too. But the Sam/Frodo premise has inspired many fine fics, some of which I really enjoy. When the fic is really good, and done in a Tolkien-faithful spirit, whether funny or serious, I am willing to suspend my disbelief and surrender to the story. Otherwise, I can't get into it. When I think any story (no matter what its sexual category) really does a job on these characters, making them behave in ways that are seriously OOC, I can't enjoy it.

Ah, the BBC LotR. You know, Pearl, I listened to that whole set again recently. I like it better each time. Do you rememeber how I said in the K-D thread on the production that I thought Peter Woodthorpe's Gollum was waaaay over-the-top, with far too much scenery-chewing? Well, I have come to really appreciate his performance. Now I look forward to his scenes.

As for the TE Extra scenes showing F/S hugging, that first one of Sam embracing Frodo with Rosie looking on, grinning in delight, makes me chuckle.

I had to scroll back up and take a look. Considering I was talking about how the sequence fed the S/F slash take on the relationship, that really IS funny! HA!

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pearlette
pearlette at 2005-11-27 00:44 (UTC) (Link)
Rosie is such a good sport! *chortle*

I can happily suspend disbelief for most fanfics, I think. :p

The BBC LOTR totally rocks. I much prefer Movie Eowyn to BBC Eowyn though, who sounds like she's in a Jane Austen novel rather than LOTR! Peter Woodthorpe's Gollum is beyond awesome: menacing, scary, insane, tragic, tormented, hilarious and pitiable. BBC Pippin ... such a cutie!!!!

I think I might see GoF again too ... I really enjoyed it, especially the kids' hormones playing havoc. :p

Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-11-27 02:36 (UTC) (Link)
I think I might see GoF again too ... I really enjoyed it, especially the kids' hormones playing havoc. :p

Never mind the kid's hormones, I would be happy to just see the kids. (If you hadn't read it, I wrote an LJ post last week about seeing the film projected on the domed roof of our old Omnimas - a huge mistake - the theatre should be ashamed to charge admission.)

No, not every character is a dream come true on the BBC production, but most of them are really, really solid. Some scenes are powerfully moving. Much of it is quite faithful to Tolkien, too. Which is always a plus, I think. *smiley face*
Maewyn
maewyn_2 at 2005-11-27 02:28 (UTC) (Link)
Hmmm. Interesting placement of Sam's right hand! (Did you notice the look on the old lady's face on the left.)
Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-11-27 02:32 (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, Sam really does look as though he is thinking (as we fans would be), "Oh, yummy, yummy, yummy, yummy!"

The lady's face is great on both of the last two shots, now that I look. But Bill the Pony's Frodo loves scandalizing the locals as much as likes titillating Sam. Such a naughty fellow is Frodo in her lighter stories. (I've only read one of her more serious ones.)
wendylady1
wendylady1 at 2005-11-27 09:22 (UTC) (Link)
Mech,
Oh now look..now I'm going to HAVE to watch the old theatrical DVD of FOTR again - something I haven't looked at for about four years...( Goddammit! ) I simply don't remember this hugging sequence at all ...NOW I'm going to have to check !!
The second lot of pics are simply gorgeous, and the first one especially, just reminds me of how I saw Frodo in the first viewing - Oh my...who is that exquisite creature ???

Totally off on a tangent...I went to see Harry Potter last night at the Odeon at Marble Arch, and loved it, but the sound was TERRIBLE !! One speaker kept cutting out, and made it sound muffled every five minutes...how annoying !!
Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-11-27 20:10 (UTC) (Link)
What a disappointment and aggravation about the sound at the Odeon! I hope you see it again with the proper sound. Our viewing of the film last night at an appropriate theatre was a huge improvement over the first. My daughter whispered to me over and over how she was seeing things happening in scenes that she hadn't been able to see at all, at the Omnimax. "Hey, Mom," she said, "I didn't know the French headmistress was supposed to be big!" That's how bad the visuals were the week before.

As for watching the FotR Extras, they are quite nice. Even if you had seen them before, they are worth revisiting. He does look not only enchanting but enchanted in that second lot, doesn't he?
Maeglian
maeglian at 2005-11-27 09:53 (UTC) (Link)
Thank you for posting the caps. The second series - what is there to say? Right there in front of our eyes is the reason for my continued Haremite status. :-)

As for the hugging sequence, I remember wondering whether that was in character or not when I watched it - it just seemed so overly and utterly exuberant that it could have been "just coming out of character at the end of a successful take".

Generally, both with the snippets that were in the film and the various party ones that got the cut but which you've capped - I get the feeling that Frodo was clearly set apart from the first - there always seems to be a space around him and his beauty even in the middle of the hobbit crowds - hinting at uniqueness, or the loneliness inherent in being special and "chosen"?

Only in the scenes with Sam (and possibly the "silly dancing" - the funky chicken and the reel) does this impression get dispelled. I still do wonder at the way Frodo and Sam are presented as bosom buddies there from the start, but I have no difficulty with it - especially since in later scenes the class distinction and difference in education and station etc. is hinted at subtly in many ways.

(And I *do* notice the expression on the faces of the bystanders in the hugging scene - and particularly Rosie's *lipstick*!)
Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-11-27 20:49 (UTC) (Link)
As for the hugging sequence, I remember wondering whether that was in character or not when I watched it - it just seemed so overly and utterly exuberant that it could have been "just coming out of character at the end of a successful take".

This is probably so. The leap into Sam's arms is waaaaay over the top familiar, even for the film version. As you said, in the film they are presented as bosom buddies. You did seem to see more nuances of class distinction kept between them in the films than I did. In the film presentation, I did not see Frodo shown as the book's kind but somewhat distant master who was surprised repeatedly by revelations about Sam -- of things Sam knew and the sort of person Sam was.

Clearly, the film presents these two as affectionate, life-long buddies rather than as master and servant. The audience knows that Sam happens to work for Frodo, but the sense of their roles as "master" and "servant" is merely nodded to, I think. A lot of fanfiction picked that up and ran with it.

I am going to be taking the "hug" sequence of caps down from this post, Maeglian, but only to post a fuller capping of the scene in a separate post. Your comment made me re-watch the scene, which made me decide to cap it more fully, blurriness and all. I really do love the sheer exuberance of the characters (or actors) in that sequence.

Generally, (...) I get the feeling that Frodo was clearly set apart from the first - there always seems to be a space around him and his beauty even in the middle of the hobbit crowds - hinting at uniqueness, or the loneliness inherent in being special and "chosen"?

You know, Maeglian, it wasn't until I actually capped the Party scene that I saw how that was true. Your eye is much better than mine. In the scene for which I provided many lovely caps, when Frodo is listening to Bilbo's speech, for instance, I never was able to pick Frodo out from the rest in the crowd shots. But, with the frames slowed down, it was easy to see that unlike anyone else assembled there to hear what Bilbo had to say, Frodo is seated alone. He doesn't look at all unhappy about it, but he is the only hobbit not seated with at least one other person. Earlier, the Frodo and Sam sequence they chose to keep for the theatrical version was of Frodo encouraging Sam to ask Rosie for a dance. They talk at the table briefly, then Frodo pushes Sam off into Rosie's arms, followed by a happy reaction shot of Frodo complete with the bubbly giggle.

I thought this made a bookend with the final film's shot of Frodo reacting to Sam and Rosie being married. In both scenes (FotR and RotK), Frodo has been active in securing Sam's happiness. In the party scene, Frodo's reaction shot is one of pure, happy delight at having acted to promote Sam's success with the lass he is sweet on. But, in RotK, in the reaction shot at the wedding, Frodo's happiness seems tinged with a sense of regret. Most fans have seen that as a personal regret -- "I am happy for you, my friend, but the sight of your happiness is a reminder to me of what I cannot and never will have myself." In both, Frodo is shown left alone -- albeit by his own design. But what a difference how he feels about it makes, comparing the party scene and to the wedding.

pearlette
pearlette at 2005-11-27 17:15 (UTC) (Link)
Generally, both with the snippets that were in the film and the various party ones that got the cut but which you've capped - I get the feeling that Frodo was clearly set apart from the first - there always seems to be a space around him and his beauty even in the middle of the hobbit crowds - hinting at uniqueness, or the loneliness inherent in being special and "chosen"?

*swoons*

(((Maeg)))
Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-11-27 20:51 (UTC) (Link)
I am going to be taking the "hug" sequence of caps down from this post, Maeglian, but only to post a fuller capping of the scene in a separate post. Your comment made me re-watch the scene, which made me decide to cap it more fully, blurriness and all. I really do love the sheer exuberance of the characters (or actors) in that sequence.

Just in case you like that sequence Pearl, I wanted to point out what I said to Maeglian, above. I am taking them down, but will put them up in another post. *swoons with you*
Mariole
mariole at 2005-11-27 20:14 (UTC) (Link)
I did a spoof of the happy Frodo/Sam hug for a dance sequence-- anyone remember the blind date party? (I got Gimli; a computer named HICCUP got Frodo). Anyway, I do love this scene. I always read it as Elijah jumping Sean at the end of a take; Rosie's laugh (and her ogling of Frolijah, which I certainly read into that scene) led me to this conclusion. But who couldn't ogle the little bunny, when he was looking all angelic like that? And the hand on the rump-- excuse me, but that's very cute. :)

Brilliant work again, Maeglian. Yes, there does seem to be a space around Frodo, even in the crowd. You're breaking my heart now that I'm interpreting it, although it does come in handy from a quick Fro-location and screen-capping perspective.

Just adding on to Pearl's love for the BBC adaptation. I really didn't like the modernization of the Frodo-Sam relationship. I much prefer the Bill Nighy version. I always got the idea that Sean wanted Sam to be more "important" to the story. I think Bill just wanted Sam to be important to Frodo, and he succeeded wonderfully.
Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-11-27 20:56 (UTC) (Link)
Just adding on to Pearl's love for the BBC adaptation. I really didn't like the modernization of the Frodo-Sam relationship. I much prefer the Bill Nighy version. I always got the idea that Sean wanted Sam to be more "important" to the story. I think Bill just wanted Sam to be important to Frodo, and he succeeded wonderfully.

Mariole, if you browse my response to Maeglian you'll see I am in agreement with you about the "updating." I agree that Sean clearly wanted to make Sam a bigger deal, but, I think it was Flourish who once pointed out that whatever Sean Astin wanted, it was not going to happen if it didn't coincide with what Peter Jackson wanted. I think Sam probably came out just the way Jackson wanted it. He "modernized" Tolkien's mercy themes completely, why not Tolkien's theme of master/servant that runs throughout the story?

P.S. *swoon* for Bill Nighy's Sam!!!!

P.P.S. Just out of curiousity, when I am reading "Devoted," should I be thinking more Bill Nighy than Sean A.? He seems to look a lot like Sean A. so I have been imagining him as if he were played by teenaged Sean Astin? Should I have been thinking Bill all this time? Or should I be thinking of some other sort of Sam "look" entirely?
Mariole
mariole at 2005-11-27 21:12 (UTC) (Link)
My Devoted Sam is book Sam: short, brown (tan) skin, dark curly hair, brown eyes. I just can't write Sean Astin's Sam-- he was a continuing hurdle for me, though I'm happy other people didn't have this problem. I heard the BBC version long after I wrote Devoted, but I have no clue what Bill Nighy of that time looked like, but I doubt I would have patterned Sam after him anyway. Tolkien gave me enough clues; I'm going with what he said!

He "modernized" Tolkien's mercy themes completely, why not Tolkien's theme of master/servant that runs throughout the story?

Because it completely changes the story? (Never mind, we've discussed this before, I know!) Sorry, I'll dash back to book land where I belong! :)
Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-11-27 22:24 (UTC) (Link)
My Devoted Sam is book Sam: short, brown (tan) skin, dark curly hair, brown eyes.

Ah, I'm glad I asked. Because your Devoted Frodo closely resembles film-Frodo in his physical description (not in his character), I was wondering if Devoted Sam also resembled film-Sam in appearance, however different he was in character.

Ah, Bill Nighy. When I listen to his Sam, I know very well he looks nothing like a hobbit, but I forget it as soon as I start to lose myself in the story. He becomes "my" Sam. In fact, he becomes more than "my Sam". I confess his performance is so good, and so illuminating of Tolkien's Sam, that he made me see that I had been selling Sam short in all my years of reading. I had ... "under-imagined" him, I think.

One day I should write Bill Nighy a letter of appreciation, simply as a grateful fan of Tolkien.

Because it completely changes the story?

You knew I was being sarcastic, right?
Mariole
mariole at 2005-11-27 22:40 (UTC) (Link)
Indeed! I shall never forget our merciless savaging of PJ's de-mercy-fying of the characters. :)

Guilty, guilty, guilty about fanfic Frodo resembling Frolijah. But I mean, c'mon. Look at what you posted there. I mean, COME ON! *licks the monitor*

My letter:

Dear Bill,

Thank you so much for your portrayal of Sam. Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you mwhah! big kiss,

Love,
Mariole
Mechtild
mechtild at 2005-11-28 00:32 (UTC) (Link)
Ha! Love your letter to Bill Nighy. And, do you know what, I think he would love it, too.

And, hey, Frodo in my story closely resembles film-Frodo, too, although I don't ever give an explicit description of him. The story's readers have got my number, you can bet. One or two references to "dark hair" and "pale skin" and they know what image is in the author's mind.

((((Mariole))))
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